Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [22 - 26th December 2012]
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The decision was right, the rule is wrong.
edit: assuming you're talking about the og rather than the goal he scored in the right net.
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I think he would still rant but it may be more controlled.
As much as anything, it is totally unfair on the rest of the league that he is not sent off for that during the match.
Exactly, also how often does a ref ever overrule his linesman? It's little wonder why Fergie was fuming. From this United supporters standpoint I thought it great to see he still has the fire in his 70 year old belly
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Every manager does it. However fergie has got away with it a lot more than others.
Today was another example, but I am more focused on that because we got beat 4-3, we lost the lead 3 times so I am more bitter, plus man city couldnt beat sunderland. The north midlands has let the north east down today
Today was another example, but I am more focused on that because we got beat 4-3, we lost the lead 3 times so I am more bitter, plus man city couldnt beat sunderland. The north midlands has let the north east down today
For everyone saying that the decision is wrong rather than the rule, think about strikers staying offside while play is not around them; the defenders still need to keep track of them despite them not "interfering". In this case Evans scored before Ba could be accused of breaching "interference"
However, the interference rule is stupid and needs some clarity I. E. If you are offside and within 3m of the ball, the other side gets a free kick.
However, the interference rule is stupid and needs some clarity I. E. If you are offside and within 3m of the ball, the other side gets a free kick.
If Ba/Cisse (whichever of the two it was) wasn't stood with Evans then he probably wouldn't of tried to intercept the ball so yes the Newcastle striker was interfering with play
He would have tried to intercept the ball. He didn't know who was behind him and who was attacking the danger area. As first defender he was obliged to try and clear it regardless of Ba's presence close to him.
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That West Brom goal 
Edit: And that handball
Edit: And that handball
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As per Baz your correct , what was wrong with the rule when I played footie if the player is interfering with play in the opinion of the ref then the player is offside.
Even had Evans not got a shout from the numerous defenders around him to leave it simply having no Newcastle attacker to worry about would have let him adjust his body to be in a much better position to clear it so either way Ba/Cisse was interfering
EDIT: On West Brom's second goal I've seen more done to De Gea and not been given than that (see Fulham's second goal against us at OT earlier this season) Green just wasn't anywhere near imposing enough
EDIT: On West Brom's second goal I've seen more done to De Gea and not been given than that (see Fulham's second goal against us at OT earlier this season) Green just wasn't anywhere near imposing enough
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the goal was offside, despite Evans touching the ball after the ball was played in.
Cisse was a yard in front of the keeper and in the line of the ball (in an offside position as he was when the ball was played)
What Evans did should have no consequence, the goal was offside!
Simples
Cisse was a yard in front of the keeper and in the line of the ball (in an offside position as he was when the ball was played)
What Evans did should have no consequence, the goal was offside!
Simples
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If the brom player had his hands around Green that would be one thing, but Green was pushing one way the player the other, that isn't a foul and never has been.
THe question is, why was Green pushing him, go around him, you don't HAVE to push back when someone pushes you, if he stepped left the WEst Brom player would have pushed himself over into the goal and out the way.
Then when he's being prevented from getting where he wants to be, he decides to stick his hand out and pull the ball backwards into the net, its utterly insane, he made certain of a goal when had he not done so, a defender may have got it, the attacker wouldn't certainly have scored, and he could have punched the ball away rather than pull it backwards, Green hasn't been bad since Caesar got injured, but that was amateur goalkeeping.
As for the Liverpool game, lol, I have no idea why people think possession is great, possession ATTACKING is different to passing it sideways doing nothing, having more possession means nothing if you do nothing with it. Barca's possession makes no difference to them, if they were toothless in attack all the possession in the world wouldn't help them. THe possession is a DEFENSIVE tool to prevent the other team having loads of attacks every game, not some all encompassing ideal to go after. Liverpool need to be better and quicker in attack when they do attack, Suarez isn't a good striker, they DO need a finisher and Sturridge IS much better than Borini/Shelvey/anyone else they have for that position. Is he worth 12 mil when there is guarenteed another "Michu" out there for sub 10mil, not really but its not an awful price either.
Stoke actually played good football, sure their goals came from set pieces and a long ball, that wasn't the ONLY football they played, they passed forwards VERY well, held the ball well, and passed well. Their interplay down the wings was surprisingly good at times and Walters several times was on his own, could have blasted a pointless shot from 25 yards but turned, held and passed it well to maintain possession. It didn't lead to goals but it led to Liverpool having less chances at goal, that is what possession is for. When you can't score or make a good chance, stop the opposition doing so by not gifting them the ball all the time, something Liverpool did constantly.
To a player Stoke were excellent in work rate and most of the players made the right choices with where to pass, kept the ball and built attacks well, Liverpool were poo basically.
Also yeah, Suarez clearly dived, it was a foul but the shirt pull clearly didn't send him down, after he got in the box he dropped, it wasn't as bad as diving without contact but nothing done to him caused him to go down. I still haven't seen a good replay(showing their feet) if the pull started outside the box, it wasn't technically a penalty.
As for later on, looked to me like Suarez was looking at the ball, then looked at the keeper and made no effort to move his leg or pull out. Its the fact that his leg went through the keepers without bending for me, if he'd bent his leg the contact would have been less bad and considering everything else Suarez has done this season alone(Mirales and Distin) I fully believe he left his studs in on purpose when he saw he had a chance to do so.
Stoke outplayed Liverpool for me and completely deserved the win, I think I hate both teams about equally so there shouldn't be any bias
Liverpool need Suarez out wide or as a withdrawn striker and someone who can finish ahead of him, Sterling needs to start producing something more than a positive attitude and then get someone for the other wing if Suarez plays as a withdrawn striker rather than winger. Personally with Suarez's penchant for stamping on players feet and kicking out at people I wouldn't want him on the wing with defensive responsibilities.
So many awkward refs today! That Evans go, just too funny as by playing it into his own net he is taking everyone else out the game, so glad the ref gave it.
For Fulham Saints, ref missed 4 handballs for Fulham (though nothing came of it) the one for the pen was the cheapest but they had 9 men behind the ball after our worst keeper gave them a goal from being rubbish
Felt exactly like the home game, mugged of 2 points but glad we came away with one. Hate all tube drivers for striking today but roll on saturday and villa away next month.
For Fulham Saints, ref missed 4 handballs for Fulham (though nothing came of it) the one for the pen was the cheapest but they had 9 men behind the ball after our worst keeper gave them a goal from being rubbish
Felt exactly like the home game, mugged of 2 points but glad we came away with one. Hate all tube drivers for striking today but roll on saturday and villa away next month.
it's all about when the ball was played...
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You don't understand the off-side rule, or the newer version of it, simples.
Good call by the ref.
I can accept being wrong.
You learn more from being wrong than being right!
Anyways.
What have I got wrong here? The ball was played in with Cisse in an offside position. Why is that not offside?