Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [24th - 26th August 2012]

Well he marginally won the league and while Manu have added to the quality he hasn't.

Assuming he doesn't scream at one of his players for having already been warmed up as he was asked, then they have an extra striker this year, one who is absolutely top notch and has already been instrumental both when he brought him back in last season, and early this season. They've also bought Rodwell(its up to him who he buys, that is still money spent and improvements according to Mancini) and they seem like they are trying to buy Sinclair.

Ultimately City can improve just by dropping the weakest players for stronger players as they played a couple dead weights for most of last season. Of course this year Mancini has taken a winning team and tactic and changed it for no apparent reason to one that is significantly worse.

Mancini, how he deals with the pressure and expectation of winning the league and likely the owners wanting a real push in the champs league this year(not his strong point, and for me 5-3-2 is likely a "champs league" tactic), will likely determine how City do this year more than the players. So far my gut is telling me they are trying this formation to be a more defensive/solid team in the champs league after getting battered by Bayern, but it won't work because its not a good tactic and doesn't suit their squad, nor is anyone used to it, and that could easily cost them the title unless he gives it up really really quickly.
 
He did not win the league 'marginally', Manchester City were so far ahead and so much better that they won it comfortably, dammit! Manchester United would have had to have signed Messi to compete. :mad::mad::mad::mad:

It doesn't matter how far you are ahead the league is made up from 38 games. You play them all twice so it's even, the league is not over because you are 15 points or what ever ahead at Christmas.

So yes they did win it by a small margin, once both had played everyone twice.
 
Liverpool vs Man City was an enjoyable game. Liverpool really should have won it. Some good performances from Liverpool players. I was impressed with Allen, and I thought Shelvey did well too. Sterling also did quite well, though he really isn't my sort of player tbh. I understand Liverpool fans are excited about him, but to me he just seems like another Walcott/Lennon whatever who will run past everyone for fun but has no end product. It is early days though, so I might be wrong.


The way City play Toure REALLY annoys me. The amount of times Mancini has changed things in the second half to push him forward more and he has scored and looked great is remarkable.....And then the next game he is back sitting deep doing nothing, a position where he really is wasted, especially when they have other players they can waste in that position if they insist on playing 2 deep midfielders.
 
It doesn't matter how far you are ahead the league is made up from 38 games. You play them all twice so it's even, the league is not over because you are 15 points or what ever ahead at Christmas.

So yes they did win it by a small margin, once both had played everyone twice.

Sorry, guessing the sarcasm wasn't detected in my post.

Just what everyones said that they won it easily etc, when up until the last 20 seconds they hadn't!
 
Sterling also did quite well, though he really isn't my sort of player tbh. I understand Liverpool fans are excited about him, but to me he just seems like another Walcott/Lennon whatever who will run past everyone for fun but has no end product. It is early days though, so I might be wrong.

Yea, just a bit. That was his first start in the league and he's only 17. Even then, it's incredibly harsh to say he has no end product when he put one on a plate for Borini in the first half.
 
I have to agree with DM on everything he wrote about the Man City situation. Its lucky for the premiership that the wage bill is so high that they haven't been able to strengthen significantly. As for the tactical change then i guess he needs to try something new at the start, just like barca's infamous 3-4-3 last season.
 
Didn't Mancini recently say that he wanted Citeh to be able to play a few different systems, presumably with the intent of being able to play a way other teams aren't used to, if they so wish (think how Wigan effectively used different tactics to the norm, at the end of last season)?

Source?
 
Mancini does indeed want to try different formations because last season in some games the only plan we had just didn't work. Examples of this are Everton away where arguably referee decisions cost us but still we didn't play great.

I think personally 3-5-2 is a good formation and we have the players to suit it. Just today it didn't work against a very good Liverpool performance.
The signing of Sinclair will give us another option which I think is important and I really think he can be a good signing for us.

To the poster who said earlier about Yaya and how he should be playing a more attacking role. We don't have Barry available so that's why he is dropping back further. When Barry is back Yaya will be his awesome self again.
 
Mancini does indeed want to try different formations because last season in some games the only plan we had just didn't work. Examples of this are Everton away where arguably referee decisions cost us but still we didn't play great.

I think personally 3-5-2 is a good formation and we have the players to suit it. Just today it didn't work against a very good Liverpool performance.
The signing of Sinclair will give us another option which I think is important and I really think he can be a good signing for us.

To the poster who said earlier about Yaya and how he should be playing a more attacking role. We don't have Barry available so that's why he is dropping back further. When Barry is back Yaya will be his awesome self again.

Working on a plan B, or C, just means you spend less time perfecting plan A. So while you play plan B badly against liverpool and throw away points, you'll also be that much worse at plan A in the next game.

Teams that want a plan B almost always screw up because there are so few times a plan B will work but trying to get one tends to screw up the team full stop.

It's just an incredibly bad idea, and your side doesn't suit it even slightly. Nasri was cack as the entire offence relied on him linking the game, and he was rubbish. Put Messi in there, sure, Silva, Nasri, are weak on the ball, girly, not fast, not powerful and Nasri in particular is such a selfish little twit. Without someone doing the running for those two, they are almost worthless. Milner is marginally defensive and can help a right back, he can't in any way do the right wing and right back job well, he can't do either very well and trying to do both he was terrible. Koralov and Milner didn't get nearly involved enough because they were too deep too often, there is a reason most teams play two players on the wing.... because it works.

Likewise CB you have 2-3 cb's who are excellent CB's, and haven't really ever played a 3 at the back system they were all over the place in all the games. It also relies on more CB's which means minor injuries will put you back into using Savic for instance a lot more often than if you play 2 at the back, and he sucks. Koralov is just rubbish, offensively and defensively. Because of the three in the middle of the park and wing backs that end up too deep it means either Yaya stays defensive because he's needed, which doesn't work, or he supports Nasri/Silva bombing forwards which the team needs.... but again doesn't suit the formation well.

City have looked significantly worse since they started peeing around with the system.

You use plan A, win 85% of the games, lose the other 15%, or have a plan A and plan b, you only lose 5% of games, but you only win 70% of games... and drop points overall, and end up a less good team. It basically never works. Worst thing a manager can do is try and make a second team for big games, it merely tells your players you don't believe they can play well enough in their BEST formation to win, so they'll try an alternative to try and not lose. mentally it undermines your players, and physically it means practicing more than one system, jack of all trades, master of none. You can not be as good in plan A if you're practicing plan B instead.
 
The sun is saying Rooney is now expected to be out for 2 months due to the severity of the cut. That it was so bad/deep that they put him under general to patch it up and it cut through the muscle and exposed the bone. It looked pretty nasty and can imagine how bad that hurt.

That is a long time out though and for me Welbeck and Hernandez aren't remotely good enough, Berbatov I think would play brilliantly with RVP but ol' redface won't play him for some ridiculous reason.

Overall this is stupid bad for Rooney though, if the team go 2 months without him and with someone better upfront, if they play better without him he'll have a hard time getting in. Considering he had a preseason and looked completely unfit, and had no form, he's now got to spend 2 months out, will be even more unfit and further from form. Going to be a tough season for him, think it was going to be a bad one for him anyway.
 
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