I don't think he's anything more than a 'decent' manager.
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I don't think he's anything more than a 'decent' manager.
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Well there was a big question mark over his success as the manager of Inter if I recall, Man City almost threw the title away last year and he seems to have just randomly changed the tactics and formation this season for the sake of it.
It isn't a random change of tactics and formation because it was all we used in pre seaon. In hindsight we shouldn't have used it v Liverpool but we took a risk.
Yeh his time at Inter was "easy" but he still had to win it and Inter did.
For the record I think he is an excellent manager, he has revamped the team into one that has a fantastic never lose mentality with real character something which utd have had for years thanks to SAF and every year the team reap the benefits. He has improved numerous players through coaching alone and has delivered on the trophies side of it.
Yeh his time at Inter was "easy" but he still had to win it and Inter did.
For the record I think he is an excellent manager, he has revamped the team into one that has a fantastic never lose mentality with real character something which utd have had for years thanks to SAF and every year the team reap the benefits. He has improved numerous players through coaching alone and has delivered on the trophies side of it.
Except he's done nothing in Europe. In fact, with a similar team Mourinho won three titles.
I think Mancini is a 'decent' manager, I don't think he's terrible and I don't think as highly of him as Biz does, I do however think he's moderately talented.
I think Mancini is a 'decent' manager, I don't think he's terrible and I don't think as highly of him as Biz does, I do however think he's moderately talented.
I don't rate Mancini much personally, he's obviously a good manager to some extent but he strikes me as a fairly odd person and seems to be a bit clueless at times.
I also think his 'heart' isn't in it at Man City and he'd jump ship at the first opportunity if they started to struggle. Wasn't he after the Russian national team job, or they were after him, that's why City gave him a new contract? Not ideal.
I also think his 'heart' isn't in it at Man City and he'd jump ship at the first opportunity if they started to struggle. Wasn't he after the Russian national team job, or they were after him, that's why City gave him a new contract? Not ideal.
Robbo, I am intrigued to how you think he is "odd" and "clueless at times". I am not turning this into an argument everyone is entitled to their opinion I am just interested.
The Russia job was just paper/Twitter rubbish. He got a new contract because of what he has done for the club. We wanted a bit of stability in their manager's chair for once!
The Russia job was just paper/Twitter rubbish. He got a new contract because of what he has done for the club. We wanted a bit of stability in their manager's chair for once!
I find him a bit odd because of the way he behaves and the things he says, he looks like a bit of a Mourinho wannabe with his daft attempts at mind games (whether they've ever worked or not for any manager is a matter of opinion, I don't think they ever have much of an effect really).
As for him being clueless at times, well, he had a winning formula and instead of just getting a couple of players and making it even more formidable, he's decided to mess about with the formation and the players really don't look themselves. There's also the fact he continues to use Mario Balotelli, a player who is just not a sane choice by any stretch of the imagination - let's be honest. He could have sold him and replaced him, but he hasn't.
I just think he's simply not a great manager, more an average/decent manager with a very good squad.
Nah I've never rated him much either. With the money at their disposal City could do better
Shoddy, shoddy defending cost us a comfortable 3 points. Some real positives though, Coates, Sterling and Allen were all very impressive. Shelvey looks far better when he isn't giving away unnessessary fouls.
Man city looked terrible mind you, considering the 3-5-2 is designed to flood and control the midfield our 3 in there were never put under any pressure. Once again Yaya Toure has a bad game and Mancini's team struggled.
Ref was shocking (again), and if anyone can tell me the difference between what Agger did in the west brom game and the foul on Johnson and the penalty shout in the arsenal/stoke I'd appreciate it (apart from Aggers being outside the box for a start).
Bring on Arsenal, can't wait to see Sahin in this team
Man city looked terrible mind you, considering the 3-5-2 is designed to flood and control the midfield our 3 in there were never put under any pressure. Once again Yaya Toure has a bad game and Mancini's team struggled.
Ref was shocking (again), and if anyone can tell me the difference between what Agger did in the west brom game and the foul on Johnson and the penalty shout in the arsenal/stoke I'd appreciate it (apart from Aggers being outside the box for a start).
Bring on Arsenal, can't wait to see Sahin in this team
That's fair enough I am not going to start arguing about it just interested to know
Get a better manager? or do better in terms of winning games etc?
Going back to yesterday,
This is a good post from the city forums....
I agree with everything there really. I believe that at full strength we can make 3-5-2 but as you guys on here have said we really shouldn't have changed a winning formula and team. I think Mancini will recognise this and go back to normal v QPR.
-------Dzeko----
Silva--Tevez--Nasri
--Yaya---Rodwell
Clichy-Lesc-Komp-Zab
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Mancini wants more signings and is seemingly complaining about this in public.
His team selection and tactics have been a bit, baffling in the two games they've played so far this season (League) and in the Community Shield.
I also don't think they *really* played 3-5-2, I thought given the players that were picked it was more 5-3-2 :/
His team selection and tactics have been a bit, baffling in the two games they've played so far this season (League) and in the Community Shield.
I also don't think they *really* played 3-5-2, I thought given the players that were picked it was more 5-3-2 :/
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3-5-2 and 5-3-2 are basically the same thing, either way you're talking about the same formation, 3 cb's, 2 wingbacks between the defence and the midfield, 3 central midfielders, and 2 strikers.
Anyway, I think he partially did it to persuade some spending out of his bosses, which is both disgraceful, disrespectful and utterly stupid. Throwing away points with a poor performance on purpose because he's got the most expensively put together squad in history and still wants to spend more is pathetic. That is why people don't rate him, time and time again people blame Tevez, but you look at the Bayern game, where Mancini picked a rubbish weak side that was never going to work, he argued with 3 separate players and Man City's own enquiry proved he lied on camera about a player.
He caused the entire incident which also almost cost them the season and it was only his going back on his promise that Tevez would never play again that helped them at the end of the season with crucial performance after performance from Tevez.
As for improving players personally through coaching, that is a hugely bold claim being that no one near can remotely say who is coaching individual players, whose training schedules or drills are being used and ultimately because no one I can name has improved since going to City.
Who has improved since Mancini has been there..... Yaya, Aguero, Tevez, Kompany, Hart, Nasri/Silva, Dzeko ,Milner.... nope. I don't think I could name a single player who has improved noticeably.
I can't think of anything Mancini has done that other managers haven't, except some of the huge mistakes.
I mean, what other manager with Clichy not available, nor Richards, and either Lescott being not fit, or injured, would have started that formation, would have taken SOOO long to change when it wasn't working in the slightest and potentially dropped Lescott on purpose. The more you think about it, the more you think he was basically trying to sabotage the team to get more players in, which really almost, sickens me, the guy with the biggest resources in the game.... complains about not getting enough.
He has publically criticised the guy who does the transfer dealings, he's said he wanted RVP and wanted it sorted.
Even if he wanted to play 5-3-2 against Liverpool, with Clichy out, would you continue to play that AND drop Lescott AND refuse to change it when it was working incredibly badly? Either he's stupid, or he had a reason for doing what he did.
Anyway, I think he partially did it to persuade some spending out of his bosses, which is both disgraceful, disrespectful and utterly stupid. Throwing away points with a poor performance on purpose because he's got the most expensively put together squad in history and still wants to spend more is pathetic. That is why people don't rate him, time and time again people blame Tevez, but you look at the Bayern game, where Mancini picked a rubbish weak side that was never going to work, he argued with 3 separate players and Man City's own enquiry proved he lied on camera about a player.
He caused the entire incident which also almost cost them the season and it was only his going back on his promise that Tevez would never play again that helped them at the end of the season with crucial performance after performance from Tevez.
As for improving players personally through coaching, that is a hugely bold claim being that no one near can remotely say who is coaching individual players, whose training schedules or drills are being used and ultimately because no one I can name has improved since going to City.
Who has improved since Mancini has been there..... Yaya, Aguero, Tevez, Kompany, Hart, Nasri/Silva, Dzeko ,Milner.... nope. I don't think I could name a single player who has improved noticeably.
I can't think of anything Mancini has done that other managers haven't, except some of the huge mistakes.
I mean, what other manager with Clichy not available, nor Richards, and either Lescott being not fit, or injured, would have started that formation, would have taken SOOO long to change when it wasn't working in the slightest and potentially dropped Lescott on purpose. The more you think about it, the more you think he was basically trying to sabotage the team to get more players in, which really almost, sickens me, the guy with the biggest resources in the game.... complains about not getting enough.
He has publically criticised the guy who does the transfer dealings, he's said he wanted RVP and wanted it sorted.
Even if he wanted to play 5-3-2 against Liverpool, with Clichy out, would you continue to play that AND drop Lescott AND refuse to change it when it was working incredibly badly? Either he's stupid, or he had a reason for doing what he did.
I agree but with two very defensive wing backs it's not really 3-5-2. With two defensive full backs it becomes 5-3-2.
I have thought that maybe Mancini's team selection's have been a little off, but I'm not entirely sure it's down to force the owners hand in the transfer market.
I have thought that maybe Mancini's team selection's have been a little off, but I'm not entirely sure it's down to force the owners hand in the transfer market.
At the end of last season, he had a fairly ideal squad. He should have improved it with a couple of players and then they would have been even stronger than last year.
A quality new CM, and then a wide player, or something like that.
Instead, he's had a fit about transfers, hung Marwood out to dry to the press, constantly moaned about everything, and then signed Rodwell - a player he seemingly didn't really want.
It's very odd behaviour.
Better manager. I'm sure if you paid him enough Jose would forget about his dream of managing the biggest club in Manchester and manage your lot instead
tbh if Mancini is ****** about missing out on the likes of RVP then he's only got himself to blame for bringing in the likes of Dzeko without properly scouting him beforehand. Also (and I'm not saying this is the case) Mancini also needs to realise that even with the financial backing City have got they'll be some players who simply dont want to sign for them (like DDR)
Pretty much what i have been saying for the past year, Mancini isnt a great manager, hes decent and how they managed to win the EPL last year still amazes me. Almost threw it away at the end.
Your right though, City could easily get a better, more successful manager in ie Mourinho if they really wanted. Mourinho has always said he would love to come back to England to manage.
DM i still cannot believe that you are still blaming the Tevez incident on Mancini. Truly baffling. Where is the proof that Mancini was proved to be lieing also?
Can you point me to actual proof he has criticized Marwood? I don't remember him saying anything. It might be for the best if he did come out and seriously criticize him in public because there is a feeling amongst City fans Marwood is to blame for transfers and the demise of our academy. Make of it what you will but there are plenty of people who work for the club or have done recently and not one of them has anything but bad things to say about him.
Also Robbo I see what your saying by we should have just added a few certain players to really just improve on a winning team but maybe Mancini might not have been allowed to. Marwood has a huge influence regarding transfers, personally signing off on many of them I feel. Especially the likes of Johnson, Sinclair and Rodwell.
I thought with the new contract Mancini would have more power in terms of dictating transfers but this doesn't seem to be the case.
In an ideal world we would have got rid of RSC, Bridge and Adebayor etc early doors and then brought in a truly world class midfielder, a solid CB and a winger with pace and good delivery. We instead are leaving it very late and I don't know what will happen now.
Can you point me to actual proof he has criticized Marwood? I don't remember him saying anything. It might be for the best if he did come out and seriously criticize him in public because there is a feeling amongst City fans Marwood is to blame for transfers and the demise of our academy. Make of it what you will but there are plenty of people who work for the club or have done recently and not one of them has anything but bad things to say about him.
Also Robbo I see what your saying by we should have just added a few certain players to really just improve on a winning team but maybe Mancini might not have been allowed to. Marwood has a huge influence regarding transfers, personally signing off on many of them I feel. Especially the likes of Johnson, Sinclair and Rodwell.
I thought with the new contract Mancini would have more power in terms of dictating transfers but this doesn't seem to be the case.
In an ideal world we would have got rid of RSC, Bridge and Adebayor etc early doors and then brought in a truly world class midfielder, a solid CB and a winger with pace and good delivery. We instead are leaving it very late and I don't know what will happen now.
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Where is my proof? Mancini came out and said he refused to come on the pitch, he said he argued with him in italian.
What was proven in City's investigation, well he wasn't punished for refusing to come on the pitch because no one else heard him say this and Mancini now says he didn't say this, Tevez also doesn't speak italian and did not argue with Mancini in Italian.
So yes, Mancini DID lie on camera and City's own investigation punished him for things Mancini never, ever claimed he did. HE was finally punished for refusing to warm up... even though he actually had warmed up and was ready to come on.
You can see from footage of the incident, Mancini yelled at Dzeko FIRST, then spoke with Tevez, yelled at him and yelled at Zabaleta, Dzeko and Zab IIRC also yelled back, Tevez didn't.
It was a back the player or back the manager situation, backing the player meant basically the manager losing face and losing the dressing room, easy choice. Seeing as nothing Mancini said was true AND he did this incredibly blatantly to deflect attention from his horrific tactics, awful mistakes and complete thrashing by Bayern.... well.
SO what did Tevez actually do, lets sum it up, he warmed up when asked, when asked a second time while Mancini was already heated, had already shouted at one player, he told him he had already warmed up... that was it, nothing else. Mancini completely over reacted, lied on camera, caused an investigation and said publically he'd never play for the team again. After the investigation after Mancini told him he'd never play for City, after he'd been forced to train on his own, without the first team, after all of that, not before a single part of it, he went back to Argentina and gave up his wages while he was there.
This was a guy, who had no reason to be there, a manager who had publically lied about him, whose club found him guilty of not warming up a second time, a club who decided to hang him out to dry and a manager who was forcing him to train alone and said he wasn't going play him EVER AGAIN, went home.... oooohhh the humanity of what Tevez did. Shocking.
Sorry but there is "I don't like that player so I'll jump on the bandwagon" and there are facts. He wasn't punished for what Mancini claimed, and he only stopped training after Mancini had all but fired him at that point.
Exclude the I don't want my manager to be shamed, or forced out or lose the team, ignore the I don't like Tevez and can't have sympathy with someone on a huge wage who is rich, ignore every other thing, how anyone can do anything but laugh at Mancini's throwing his dummy out the pram outburst after a terrible performance than was entirely his fault I really don't know.
Its the equivalent of a warehouse working being asked to move stuff from bay A to bay C, doing it, then being asked to do it again rather than do the next job, telling the boss he'd already done it, and being lied about, punished, put on probation for reminding the boss it was already done.
This was a manager who had lined up a stupid team, pulled off the only striker, had an argument with the striker, was under pressure and asked the player to do something he had already done and absolutely flipped out over nothing when the player told him he was already warmed up. Calm manager who wasn't just arguing with someone else, "oh, I forgot you warmed up already, get ready to go on", Mancini "lots of italian swear words, swear at other players, lose badly, scapegoat a player on camera".
What was proven in City's investigation, well he wasn't punished for refusing to come on the pitch because no one else heard him say this and Mancini now says he didn't say this, Tevez also doesn't speak italian and did not argue with Mancini in Italian.
So yes, Mancini DID lie on camera and City's own investigation punished him for things Mancini never, ever claimed he did. HE was finally punished for refusing to warm up... even though he actually had warmed up and was ready to come on.
You can see from footage of the incident, Mancini yelled at Dzeko FIRST, then spoke with Tevez, yelled at him and yelled at Zabaleta, Dzeko and Zab IIRC also yelled back, Tevez didn't.
It was a back the player or back the manager situation, backing the player meant basically the manager losing face and losing the dressing room, easy choice. Seeing as nothing Mancini said was true AND he did this incredibly blatantly to deflect attention from his horrific tactics, awful mistakes and complete thrashing by Bayern.... well.
SO what did Tevez actually do, lets sum it up, he warmed up when asked, when asked a second time while Mancini was already heated, had already shouted at one player, he told him he had already warmed up... that was it, nothing else. Mancini completely over reacted, lied on camera, caused an investigation and said publically he'd never play for the team again. After the investigation after Mancini told him he'd never play for City, after he'd been forced to train on his own, without the first team, after all of that, not before a single part of it, he went back to Argentina and gave up his wages while he was there.
This was a guy, who had no reason to be there, a manager who had publically lied about him, whose club found him guilty of not warming up a second time, a club who decided to hang him out to dry and a manager who was forcing him to train alone and said he wasn't going play him EVER AGAIN, went home.... oooohhh the humanity of what Tevez did. Shocking.
Sorry but there is "I don't like that player so I'll jump on the bandwagon" and there are facts. He wasn't punished for what Mancini claimed, and he only stopped training after Mancini had all but fired him at that point.
Exclude the I don't want my manager to be shamed, or forced out or lose the team, ignore the I don't like Tevez and can't have sympathy with someone on a huge wage who is rich, ignore every other thing, how anyone can do anything but laugh at Mancini's throwing his dummy out the pram outburst after a terrible performance than was entirely his fault I really don't know.
Its the equivalent of a warehouse working being asked to move stuff from bay A to bay C, doing it, then being asked to do it again rather than do the next job, telling the boss he'd already done it, and being lied about, punished, put on probation for reminding the boss it was already done.
This was a manager who had lined up a stupid team, pulled off the only striker, had an argument with the striker, was under pressure and asked the player to do something he had already done and absolutely flipped out over nothing when the player told him he was already warmed up. Calm manager who wasn't just arguing with someone else, "oh, I forgot you warmed up already, get ready to go on", Mancini "lots of italian swear words, swear at other players, lose badly, scapegoat a player on camera".