Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th October - 2nd November 2011]

Gustov said:
Quite evidently, to suggest anything else would be kidding yourselves. It was a horrific day for Chelsea and a pretty standard performance by Arsenal.

Surely the whole not winning anything in the past 6 years would suggest that Arsenal are nothing more than 'average' in the current climate?
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sorry but your comments are laughable!
 
Gustov in butthurt shocker.

You should have seen him after Barca knocked Chelsea out few seasons back.
 
beachBOYken said:
Chelsea just got beat by an average football side everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thats Gustov's opinion...quite clearly Chelsea looked just as average as us;) but the difference being we just beat them at their home ground 5-3...

5-3 EVERYONE!!!!!!
 
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Spawn said:
Thats Gustov's opinion...quite clearly Chelsea looked just as average as us;) but the difference being we just beat them at their home ground 5-3...

5-3 EVERYONE!!!!!!
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No, learn to read (God knows why I clicked to view your post when I have you on ignore) I said Arsenal were average and Chelsea were horrific.

What this means (I'll explain for you) is that I'm suggesting Arsenal played better football than Chelsea did today.
 
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Gustov said:
Wow...what a horrible horrible game of football.

Chelsea essentially playing with the same set up as Arsenal do (4-3--3) but playing even worse than Arsenal usually do.

Villas Boas's giving a new definition to the seemingly futile offside rule. Playing a high line has it's advantages but against RVP and Walcott, what was Boas thinking!?

I love the way people are so quick to jump on the John Terry bandwagon, he's been the most solid English defender in the past 18 months despite Chelsea winning nothing. (Post double)

Cech was poor, Mikel didn't stamp his authority on the game at all (as usual) and Torres had his worst game in a Chelsea shirt (and that's saying something)

What a miserable day to be a Chelsea fan. Conceding 5 goals against nothing more than an average footballing side.

Arsenal fans- Don't get carried away, Chelsea were simply awful and you scored every shot you had on target.
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Im not mocking your comments Gustov but you clearly say that Chelsea just got beat by an average footballing side and not just by how they played today , you sound like you are suggesting Arsenal are average which i disagree!
 
Moses said:
Saying Arsenal are average, for not winning anything for a while, is fairly stupid. How many football fans, in today's environment, would turn their noses up at their team staying in the top four for so long, competing well in all competitions, etc? (All whilst playing ~nice football~, having a good financial model, etc).
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Well I'm defining average in the grand scheme of Arsenal being a 'top 4 team'. Perhaps a paradox in itself but hopefully you get the gist.

Arsenal have one world class player and IMO two very good footballers. Those being RVP, Arteta and Scezney. I wouldn't take a single other player in the Chelsea team.

Also, like I say, it's inevitably for Arsenal fans to get carried away after today's result. When in the grand scheme of things, it'll be an achievement if Arsenal finish in 4th place this season.

beachBOYken said:
Im not mocking your comments Gustov but you clearly say that Chelsea just got beat by an average footballing side and not just by how they played today , you sound like you are suggesting Arsenal are average which i disagree!
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That's the only point you can pick up on to debate with me from that whole post? Average is a very subjective term, try not to focus on it too much.
 
TBF Arsenal do have some average players at the moment, Arteta, Mertesacker, Santos but credit to Wenger he's always been able to get more than he probably should out of average players.

Arsenal aren't an average team though
 
Tom84 said:
TBF Arsenal do have some average players at the moment, Arteta, Mertesacker, Santos but credit to Wenger he's always been able to get more than he probably should out of average players.

Arsenal aren't an average team though
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If you want to take the word average as literally as this, I'll hold my hands up and say I'm wrong. Of course Arsenal aren't average, Wolves aren't average ffs, they're in the top tier of English football in debatably the best league in the world.

Boas got the tactics HORRIBLY wrong today by playing such a high line against 3 of the fastest players in the league.
 
Gustov said:
Wow...what a horrible horrible game of football.

Chelsea essentially playing with the same set up as Arsenal do (4-3--3) but playing even worse than Arsenal usually do.

Villas Boas's giving a new definition to the seemingly futile offside rule. Playing a high line has it's advantages but against RVP and Walcott, what was Boas thinking!?
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One thing you're missing out on, its not playing offside, basically every team does that, and it really doesn't matter where you play it, though it does make sense to play less high against faster players.

Its that your players were just bad, the first goal wasn't playing for offside, nor was it high up the pitch, Gervinho/RVP just walked through and neither CB reacted, at all, not because they thought it was offside, they just didn't react.

That was pretty much the whole thing, and offensively, Mata was poor apart from his goal, Lampard was okay but on his own. Torres was useless, Sturridge was very poor, Ramires was woeful, Cole offensively wasn't terrible, and Bosingwa was woeful.

IF Chelsea offence played brilliantly, Arsenal would have been battered, they didn't and the defence had a poor game, had they played 8-1-1, played very deep and didn't play for the offside, if they all played as poorly as they did today, probably a similar result.


As for me being happy, people really don't seem to be able to separate the two things, I can be happy and still discuss where we went wrong, these things aren't mutually exclusive.

Infact I'd say Arsenal players, manager and fans biggest single problem is ignoring what is going wrong just because we're winning, and never building and improving, we just plough headlong into the same mistakes which eventually cost us very very badly.

We were awful today collectively, just less awful than Chelsea, if you look at every single goal, well, only the last goal you could maybe call genuinely Arsenal's, but Chelsea shouldn't have been chasing the game at that stage, and Cech still did badly. Bosingwa was pretty much exactly as bad as Evra the other day, and Terry and Ivanovic were as useless as Evans was. How can two top teams be SO bad defensively, its honestly absurd.


IT was an entertaining game, but I still far prefer two good teams playing well and also scoring a few, goals earned mean so much more to me than goals gifted

I will give Walcott some credit though, while the whole situation was epically stupid from Chelsea, when he went down the two defenders right on him, just stopped, both could have kicked the ball away EASILY, and the two CB's both closing both stopped dead in their tracks. But Walcott got up AND I hadn't really noticed but it was a good piece of footwork to jink the ball left then right to go through them. He shouldn't have made it through, the chance WAS gifted, but he did very very well.


There's no point having a go at Terry though, RVP would easily outpace him and was already moving, Terry fell accelerating, he would NEVER have made it to the ball before RVP had he stayed up, so its pretty irrelevant, the goal was created by the woeful backpass, it was entirely Malouda's fault, not Terry's........ not that one at least, two others, minimum were his fault.

EDIT:- Also, after seeing more replays, our keeper should have been sent off, no question, terrible tackle, cynical, straight red, and frankly had he not taken down Cole, Koscielny was on his way back, but still a distance away, he's still one guy and not on the line, Cole should still have had a very good chance to score.
 
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You wouldn't have Ramsey Gustov? you need something in the middle of the park and thought he outclassed Arteta by some margin.
 
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