Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th October - 2nd November 2011]

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It doesnt make it right though.

The reality is you paid a premium price for an average at best striker.

You bit the bullet but at what cost? Would you have bitten the same bullet for Ngog a couple of years previous?

Why were we not charged £50m for Player X last summer given that we had that £50m war-chest to spend?
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Would it have been right to overpay on somebody we didn't want but only cost £20m? Short of finding a player we wanted and the selling club were actively looking to sell, we'd have been forced to overpay on whoever we'd have bought. There was little we could do; we needed a striker and clubs knew we had money to burn.

Did we specifically want Ngog or was Ngog a cheap squad player? No, of course we wouldn't have spent it on Ngog just like you didn't spend £31m on Bebe as you did on Berbatov.

And there's a huge difference between clubs knowing we've just sold Torres for £50m and newspapers talking about £50m war-chests. Going into the summer nobody really knew how much we'd spend and in the end we didn't have a great deal of money to spend (nothing like what was reported anyway) on top of what we brought in.
 
BaZ87 said:
Would it have been right to overpay on somebody we didn't want but only cost £20m? Short of finding a player we wanted and the selling club were actively looking to sell, we'd have been forced to overpay on whoever we'd have bought. There was little we could do; we needed a striker and clubs knew we had money to burn.

Did we specifically want Ngog or was Ngog a cheap squad player? No, of course we wouldn't have spent it on Ngog just like you didn't spend £31m on Bebe as you did on Berbatov.

And there's a huge difference between clubs knowing we've just sold Torres for £50m and newspapers talking about £50m war-chests. Going into the summer nobody really knew how much we'd spend and in the end we didn't have a great deal of money to spend (nothing like what was reported anyway) on top of what we brought in.
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The fact is that the signing for Carroll for £35m is seen as being justified by the sale of Torres for £50m.

The reality is the signing of Michael Ricketts for £35m could have been justified in the same circumstances.

Bebe is a low blow!! :D
 
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The fact is that the signing for Carroll for £35m is seen as being justified by the sale of Torres for £50m.

The reality is the signing of Michael Ricketts for £35m could have been justified in the same circumstances.

Bebe is a low blow!! :D
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As you said, it's not right but yes it is justification. We could have done the right thing and not bought anybody because clubs wanted more than the players were 'worth'. I'd rather overpay and improve our squad though thanks.

And if you think Ricketts is as good as Carroll then yes.
 
BaZ87 said:
As you said, it's not right but yes it is justification. We could have done the right thing and not bought anybody because clubs wanted more than the players were 'worth'. I'd rather overpay and improve our squad though thanks.

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So how does the improving of the squad by signing Bellamy compare to Carroll?

As much as Carroll was flavour of the month so was Ricketts and so was David Nugent and numerous other one season wonders in the PL.
 
Carroll provides us with a first choice centre forward for the long term and Bellamy provides us with versatile cover for the short term.

And if Carroll turns out to be the next Ricketts or Nugent then we'll have that discussion then.
 
BaZ87 said:
Carroll provides us with a first choice centre forward for the long term and Bellamy provides us with versatile cover for the short term.

And if Carroll turns out to be the next Ricketts or Nugent then we'll have that discussion then.
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What does a £35m striker have to do in a full season in order to be considered a success?

I will judge Carroll on any realistic terms offered.
 
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Because it has a relative worth.

Dalgish has spent some serious money at Liverpool and on the whole i (as a Utd fan) think he has bought decent players so i'll say so. At the same time the £35m on Carroll is a huge white elephant so i think its ok to say that too.
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I'm intrigued as to who he's bought that's decent in your eyes :D we all know Carroll is the equivalent of buying Kevin Phillips for millions after one season but I cannot think of one buy he's made yet that looks that decent, If you consider Suarez a hodgeson target.

Anyway I only popped in to see if the arsenal fans still hate wenger and want him out :D
 
dannyjo22 said:
If you consider Suarez a hodgeson target.
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And why would you do something as stupid as that? :p

The first thing Dalglish done when he was brought back to the club by Benitez was to scout Suarez. That said, Dalglish admits that Comolli had identified Suarez and opened talks before he took over (Dalglish was still doing a bit of scouting for the club then though).

It's also worth noting that Dalglish also said (in the updated chapter of his book to include last season) that when Torres decided he was off, Comolli presented Carroll to him as the replacement. Whether that's just Dalglish saying the right things because Comolli's officially the guy doing the recruiting or not, I don't know.
 
Azza said:
Does Hansen even watch any of the games? What a tool!
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Hansen cheers me up on MOTD no end, for no other reason than making me feel great about not being a complete **** like him :D

Week before United: City still have the big test in United away, we'll see what they're really made of then.
Last week: You don't win the title playing well, you win them playing badly. City will face bigger tests than today.
This week: Mancini was let off the hook today.

YCNMIU, or in Hansen's case, you clearly could. If we win the league I'm 99% certain he'll throw himself off a bridge.
 
Pigeon_Killer said:
Thought it was a dodgy penalty earlier but the defender didn't even attempt to go for the ball, just completely blocked off Suarez. Soft but stupid.
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I'm not sure why there was any debate about it to begin with. How can this be anything other than a foul:

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