Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th Sept - 3rd Oct 2012]
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@ Tummy you think that's me point scoring? 
That's just me pointing out a fact that if a great Liverpool performance is 0-0 at home against a team that's been garbage then it's no wonder they're where they are in the league table. Put it this way if 0-0 at half time/before Shelvey got sent off is a great performance what superlative would be given a performance that equaled a 1-0 lead? Fantastic? Brilliant? What about one that equaled a 2-0 lead? Absolutely flipping amazing? What about a 3-0 one? AmazeBalls?
Come on are we really arguing about this?
That's just me pointing out a fact that if a great Liverpool performance is 0-0 at home against a team that's been garbage then it's no wonder they're where they are in the league table. Put it this way if 0-0 at half time/before Shelvey got sent off is a great performance what superlative would be given a performance that equaled a 1-0 lead? Fantastic? Brilliant? What about one that equaled a 2-0 lead? Absolutely flipping amazing? What about a 3-0 one? AmazeBalls?
Come on are we really arguing about this?
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Ill make it more difficult.
Name a match in recent history where we actually played well? Second half performances dont count
Im pretty sure i aid we looked awful last season, and the season before and infact going into this season. I've kept quiet lately, but i cant keep so quiet for much longer.
We barely scraped a home win vs galatasaray, looked godawful again on saturday.
What will it take for the average fan to realise that Fergie time is almost up. The Era is over. But it keeps going on and on with the same mistakes repeated each week and season.
The solution when all else fails?! its obvious throw 4 strikers on and cut out the midfield!!! Genius.
Name a match in recent history where we actually played well? Second half performances dont count
Im pretty sure i aid we looked awful last season, and the season before and infact going into this season. I've kept quiet lately, but i cant keep so quiet for much longer.
We barely scraped a home win vs galatasaray, looked godawful again on saturday.
What will it take for the average fan to realise that Fergie time is almost up. The Era is over. But it keeps going on and on with the same mistakes repeated each week and season.
The solution when all else fails?! its obvious throw 4 strikers on and cut out the midfield!!! Genius.
lol ok you know my mind better than me
Ill make it more difficult.
Name a match in recent history where we actually played well? Second half performances dont count
In terms of a complete team performance I'll admit it's becoming increasingly hard to remember one, one that does stand out in terms of an attacking performance was the game against Everton last season but obviously the defence let us down that day but then this is where you have to factor in the injuries the club are/have been suffering with.
What I would say is for you to claim you've been keeping quiet I think you need to have gone longer than just a couple of weeks, disappear till May and come back and then I'll agree you've kept quiet
@ Tummy you think that's me point scoring?
That's just me pointing out a fact that if a great Liverpool performance is 0-0 at home against a team that's been garbage then it's no wonder they're where they are in the league table. Put it this way if 0-0 at half time/before Shelvey got sent off is a great performance what superlative would be given a performance that equaled a 1-0 lead? Fantastic? Brilliant? What about one that equaled a 2-0 lead? Absolutely flipping amazing? What about a 3-0 one? AmazeBalls?
Come on are we really arguing about this?
0-0? I wasn't talking about the performance up to the Shelvey sending off, the performance as a whole was great in which we deserved a win with a definite penalty and if Shelvey is getting sent off so should Evans + RvP.
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GOING ROUND IN CIRCLES
This isn't a discussion, this is just both sides repeating their points ad infinitum.
This isn't a discussion, this is just both sides repeating their points ad infinitum.
Ok fair enough but my point remains the same regardless of whether you were referring to it when it was 0-0 with 11 men, losing 1-2 with 10 men or whatever had it been a great Liverpool performance you'd of won. You were unfortunate with decisions against (thought not to the extent you say) but again answer me this if a great performance is Liverpool ultimately losing then what does a game in which you win equal?
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i wouldn't say he wholly won us the game as it was a great team effort but his strength, hold up, split passing and most importantly of all, his movement are certainly looking good.
the way he dragged evans across, leaving him in no mans land was fantastic and the pure effort he put in for our 3rd was highly commendable. i mention effort as he has been known to be purely wanting to get on the score sheet before, not interested in nowt else but he was very good on saturday when we were attacking.
Great with a proper ref.
EDIT: Why did Gilly choose to reply then lock the other thread so no one can respond??? Closed the transfer thread in summer mid conversation also and there was transfer news to report after
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people seem to be jumping the gun here. most times, giggs has been effective against us. i can see why he decided to use him and plus they were at home. it wasn't just giggs who was at fault in the first half.
carrick wasn't commanding enough and for the second goal, dembele goes past scholes like he wasn't even there! ferdinand looked like he was about to have a seizure when bale went past him for his goal.
second half, united were all over us and this was down to rooney. there is the obvious argument that rooney should've started but to blame the entire first half show on giggs is a bit harsh though it does look increasingly like he doesn't have a great deal to offer when up against pace now.
Aye it's a little dare I say childish to get one last retort in only to close the thread because he doesn't like what people were saying to him (assuming of course it was him that closed it and not another mod)
Hells to the no!!
we're still just a one man team
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It's just the same mistakes he's repeating time and time again. Not strengthening the midfield so we get outplayed by most bigger teams, rotating keepers, starting players like Giggs in big matches...it's fine having a manager who makes mistakes, no-one is perfect. It's not fine having one who doesn't learn from them.
Checked last weeks thread and it was Tom84 and ShamiKebab insanely mourning about continuing the discussions on the Lfc vs Manu game incidents.
Claiming there is nothing left to discuss and blaming the Moderator! Now i check this current thread they are the same people discussing the same game but this time even in the wrong thread.
If they were to be made Moderators we would only see their postings coz they would delete everything else
Claiming there is nothing left to discuss and blaming the Moderator! Now i check this current thread they are the same people discussing the same game but this time even in the wrong thread.
If they were to be made Moderators we would only see their postings coz they would delete everything else
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You're right, we're both insanely mourning.
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I don't think he wholly won you the game at all, however he was a crucial part to it.
The point really is, say if Rooney did it, he'd be hailed as the bestest player in the world afterwards while Defoe isn't even getting a mention.
Also worth differentiating is a player asked only to do one thing and a player only capable of doing one thing
Couple Utd fans saying "didn't see RVP do anything but stay upfront", in several games, because that is what he was either asked to do, or did. While against Spurs he dropped deeper more often, or wide, and proved his interplay, passing and crossing was incredibly good.... and that is for a player who has been asked to ignore that part of his game for the best part of two years now
At least in Defoe's case most of his managers have used him in a limited way. RVP spent pretty much 6 seasons being a playmaker rather than a goal scorer, 2 entire seasons playing the upfront only there to score role and suddenly half the world thinks all he is capable of is scoring.
true. same as if scholes had played the same ball sandro did to defoe that created the 3rd goal, there'd have been cries of 'wow! what a pass from scholes'.