Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [29th Sept - 3rd Oct 2012]

we're certainly improving.

i have little doubt that on games such as that, dembele is a better option than modric. i like caulker, we have good options with him and kaboul at cb and still have dawson but vertonghen is showing nothing but good things. i'm not so keen on AVB's insistency on gallas. he was at fault for both goals as he's not alert enough. friedel for the first goal too, could he have come and claimed/intercepted? hmm maybe but the cross from rooney was pretty tip top.

we've still BAE, parker and manu to return so that's some decent depth but i'd still like us to go back for moutinho.

we played our best formation yesterday and need to stick to it. sucks for sig but it's about being at your best.
 
One More Solo said:
The BBC is the only outlet quoting that figure, everywhere else is at least 70/30 United. First half we still had significantly more of the ball, we just kept it in our own half and did nothing with it which is fast becoming our speciality.

In the second half apparently you only completed 35 passes. :eek:
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Nah Spurs completely turned you over at Old Trafford, 2-0 at half time, class performance, simply the better side. 2nd half was just a free for all, spurs then put there back to the wall and you couldnt score.

cm1179 said:
we're certainly improving.

i have little doubt that on games such as that, dembele is a better option than modric. i like caulker, we have good options with him and kaboul at cb and still have dawson but vertonghen is showing nothing but good things. i'm not so keen on AVB's insistency on gallas. he was at fault for both goals as he's not alert enough. friedel for the first goal too, could he have come and claimed/intercepted? hmm maybe but the cross from rooney was pretty tip top.

we've still BAE, parker and manu to return so that's some decent depth but i'd still like us to go back for moutinho.

we played our best formation yesterday and need to stick to it. sucks for sig but it's about being at your best.
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Sandro and Dembele look powerful together. I don't think you need moutinho, not this season anyway. i think if you sign any one during the window it should be someone who can play out right - Messi type foward.
 
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i'd love moutinho, we do miss creativity but we're doing ok at keeping it simple but quick but that has a limited lifespan.

if we could have moutinho where sig or dempsey play, we'd be quite a force!
 
cm1179 said:
i'd love moutinho, we do miss creativity but we're doing ok at keeping it simple but quick but that has a limited lifespan.

if we could have moutinho where sig or dempsey play, we'd be quite a force!
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I think they will do a job this season, Lennon needs to be replaced if anything.
 
cm1179 said:
i'd love moutinho, we do miss creativity but we're doing ok at keeping it simple but quick but that has a limited lifespan.

if we could have moutinho where sig or dempsey play, we'd be quite a force!
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I think moutinho where dembele is and dembele further forward would be tasty.

When you have dempsey/siggy we finally have people arriving late in he box but we lack a cutting edge. With moutinho we would have he option of playing runners attacking the box or players picking apart the defence by deploying siggy?/dempsey or moutinho.

One real problem we have is that Vertooks better as an attacking LB that BAE. I love BAE but the system we are playing works very nicely with highly attacking full backs. Vert prefers central defence and BAE is a better defensive full back but how to reconcile the time two?
 
Snax said:
I think moutinho where dembele is and dembele further forward would be tasty.

When you have dempsey/siggy we finally have people arriving late in he box but we lack a cutting edge. With moutinho we would have he option of playing runners attacking the box or players picking apart the defence by deploying siggy?/dempsey or moutinho.

One real problem we have is that Vertooks better as an attacking LB that BAE. I love BAE but the system we are playing works very nicely with highly attacking full backs. Vert prefers central defence and BAE is a better defensive full back but how to reconcile the time two?
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Who would the runners be?

You should just keep Vert at LB, tell him never to go past the half way line, basically a back three, make Walker the bomber, but you need someone to work with Walker, think Lennon's too one dimensional. His pace is great but he lacks intelligence.
 
Purdy said:
If he thinks that why does he keep picking him much to the despair of most united fans on here it seems
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Because just as players can start to be crap, so can managers ;)

The thing that suggests Fergie is going is he's trying the same things that worked 5 years ago... even when after 2 years its a tactic that fails miserably. The very simple fact is that Utd's record when he goes for his "senior/big game" players, is beyond terrible. Last year going Giggs/Park was just awful, its already been awful this year, and he did it again.

Seriously, EVERYONE I saw mention the game, before the game, not in hindsight, me included went Giggs/Evra vs Lennon/Walker.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Managers get it wrong all the time, footballers get it wrong all the time, top managers get it wrong all the time(Mourinho is 8 points behind Barca). The biggest difference between Fergie and say, you, or me, is he chose to go after the career of manager(well, later on) you and me didn't. It doesn't mean we can't, doesn't mean we couldn't do better, and doesn't make our opinions invalid and Fergies instantly a better idea.

Giggs was a bad idea simply any possible way you can look at it. Even from the experience, stability and helping out younger players on the pitch. There isn't a chance that the younger players didn't go "Gigg's is starting, wow, this game just got harder". Giggs 5 years ago, maybe, Giggs today or the past 2 years, just no.


Also, seems a tad odd none of the Spurs guys highlighted Defoe considering he both won you the game and has been brilliant all season. The third goal was entirely his making and almost exactly what most Spurs fans have been telling everyone repeatedly for years that he isn't capable of. Holding up the ball, holding off far bigger players and creating goals with a great pass.
 
Purdy said:
Much better than you = pretty good despite you lot being trash, not 'we weren't that great as you described', so no Tom, not as simple as that
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Liverpool weren't great, if you think last weekends performance was great then that's the reason why Liverpool aren't challenging for anything. A great Liverpool performance would have been to have put 2 or 3 past us before the sending off or to hang on despite going down to 10.
 
Trusty said:
Who would the runners be?

You should just keep Vert at LB, tell him never to go past the half way line, basically a back three, make Walker the bomber, but you need someone to work with Walker, think Lennon's too one dimensional. His pace is great but he lacks intelligence.
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The runners would be siggy/Dempsey. If it was a game where we needed a solid defence unlocking swapping siggy/Dempsey out for moutinho would inject some craft.

I disagree re Lennon. The boy is a class act. Firstly he does have a final ball but spurs rarely have people attacking the box (until now). It used to be a case of trying to pick out a solitary striker and that is it. He gets lambasted for no final ball but he actually rarely has any options.

Secondly, his defensive game is superb. He uses his pace to get back in position and he really puts in some proper shifts.

Finally, he and Walker compliment each other and have a good understanding. Bale for example is not paricularly interested in helping his full back and that would not do with Walker who is normally out of position following an attack (of course, it could be that Bale might just trust BAE to always be in position because he is not so attacking - chicken and egg). In any case, Lennon is underrated and has been for far too long.

drunkenmaster said:
Because just as players can start to be crap, so can managers ;)

The thing that suggests Fergie is going is he's trying the same things that worked 5 years ago... even when after 2 years its a tactic that fails miserably. The very simple fact is that Utd's record when he goes for his "senior/big game" players, is beyond terrible. Last year going Giggs/Park was just awful, its already been awful this year, and he did it again.


Also, seems a tad odd none of the Spurs guys highlighted Defoe considering he both won you the game and has been brilliant all season. The third goal was entirely his making and almost exactly what most Spurs fans have been telling everyone repeatedly for years that he isn't capable of. Holding up the ball, holding off far bigger players and creating goals with a great pass.
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I think most Spurs fans are delighted that Defoe is on a hot streak but are probably wary about what happens when the streak stops. As I said a couple of weeks ago, this team is set up and can play despite Defoe.

Defoe is unquestionably a greedy player and he can't hold up a ball that is floated in to him. In the past, Spurs teams have not had the ability to play up to Defoe without utilizing him and then playing him in. Instead they tried to play to him early as a method of advancing up the pitch; at this point he would beeline towards goal and perform a Hollywood shot and the play would break down. Now the team is both skilled enough and capable of progressing up the pitch without using him and then playing him in.

Defoe looks better because he is getting quality supply, the team retains possession better and everyone is happy.

The goals against Manutd were counter attacks and so don't really illustrate my point but it has been in general play that the team and Defoe look so much better. He is no longer a little guy trying to control a predictable long ball from the back. He is the spear head of an attack that still excels when counter attacks but has the ability to build slowly with sustained possession. The defenders don't know what is coming and Defoe suddenly has that gap to wreak havoc.
 
Trusty said:
You should just keep Vert at LB, tell him never to go past the half way line
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Why stop him at the halfway line? He's better crosser of the ball than either BAE or Walker.

When Spurs are on form they win games by attacking from angles. Defenders double up on Bale? Lennon gets space. Left-sided players double up on Lennon? Walker has space, etc.

Defending is overrated. :p
 
Was away this weekend but the result was coming, we've been lucky not to lose in recent weeks. Seen the goals (ours were both pretty good, nice finish from Kagawa) Lindegaard looked like he should have done much better for the second and third goals and I noticed the reason Dempsey had such an easy tap in is that NOBODY tracked him back, I'm pretty sure it was Carrick from the replay who just eased off and let him run in, we need a defensive midfielder. Nine goals in six games is pretty **** for title contenders.
 
No way I would keep Vert at LB when he looks like he is a prime reader of the game ala King. Bae is more than capable at LB. Kaboul and Vert will be awesome with Caulker as backup, lovely jubbly.
 
Tom84 said:
Liverpool weren't great, if you think last weekends performance was great then that's the reason why Liverpool aren't challenging for anything. A great Liverpool performance would have been to have put 2 or 3 past us before the sending off or to hang on despite going down to 10.
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So pretty much regardless of how you play getting goals is playing great? Alright we can agree to disagree there.

Also we would have held on if Valencia didn't five star frog splash
 
It's ok, Tom is perfectly allowed to have his rose tinted glasses on and say 'Liverpool weren't great', so by that measure, United were utterly terrible.
 
Tummy said:
That's why Manchester United didn't win anything last season either then?

Fed up of petty point scoring.
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Who's point scoring? And I dont see what last season has anything to do with it either. Odd reply.

Like Shami said and at risk of repeating myself Liverpool weren't great last weekend they were just better than us and yes we were last weekend terrible.
 
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