Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [2nd - 6th February 2018]

The first decision in particular is more terrible the more you think about it. Sky Sports have now got a transcript of the conversation online and Moss says "I have no idea whether Lovren touched the ball to be honest with you. Martin (Atkinson), have you got anything from TV? I'm giving the penalty". Also, the linesman says with complete confidence "you know what I'm asking; I need to clarify, has Lovren touched the ball? If he has, it's a deliberate action and, therefore, it's a penalty. If he has not, it is offside". How can the ref give a penalty if he has no clue if Lovren has touched the ball? Plus he shouldn't be asking the fourth official for clarification.

On top of that, if the offside rule really allows for you to hang offside in the hope that an opposition player gets a touch and plays you onside, those rules really need to be changed. Otherwise as an attacking player you could just try to lump the ball at a defender in the hope that he sticks a leg out to block it and it deflects into the path of your previously offside player.
 
Asking the 4th official his view is fine, asking if he's seen anything from a TV screen isn't though and raises loads of questions. How often have 4th officials been sneakily looking at Sky's pitch side reporters screens to help the ref out?
 
PGMOL have released a statement on Moss & the lino's chat for the first pen where they've lied through their teeth. They're claiming Moss knew all along that a Liverpool player had played the ball and it was therefore onside but didn't know whether it was Lovren or not. Yes because that makes perfect sense :/

Had Moss known a Liverpool player played the ball then there would be no need for any conversation with the lino, let alone to ask for help from the 4th official too because which Liverpool player played the ball made zero difference to the decision. They also brushed the TV comment under the carpet saying it was misguided and that the 4th official didn't see anything on TV or even reply to the question.

They'd really have been better off saying nothing at all because it's clear that all they're doing is trying to cover their own arses. As above, how many other times have refs tried to or actually got help from TV replays which we've never known about?
 
Carragher and Rooney are saying clear penalty (for the second one), shown every angle in slow motion. Let's be fair, to the ref it'll look like he's booted him in the back of the knee (which he effectively did).
 
They also showed it was offside and Rooney said that what Kane done for the 1st, he was told would result in a 2 game ban.

And the ref didn't give the foul for the 2nd pen, he waved it away which would suggest he saw the incident and didn't think it was a foul
 
BaZ87 said:
They also showed it was offside and Rooney said that what Kane done for the 1st, he was told would result in a 2 game ban.

And the ref didn't give the foul for the 2nd pen, he waved it away which would suggest he saw the incident and didn't think it was a foul
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Baz I'm sure you have a fault with your TV:p Both Rooney and Carragher have said they were penalties. Won pens but pens all the same. Let it go, marginal offsides like the second one are always going to be missed as they are the other way round.
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
Baz I'm sure you have a fault with your TV:p Both Rooney and Carragher have said they were penalties. Won pens but pens all the same. Let it go, marginal offsides like the second one are always going to be missed as they are the other way round.
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I think the fault is with your understanding of the English language or specifically the scouse accent.. On the first pen Rooney said that at the start of the season the officials told the players that if they try to win a pen by leaving their leg hanging, it's a 2 game ban. And they clearly showed before debating whether it was a foul that Lamela was offside.

What did I say that was wrong exactly?

edit: and what do you mean by let it go? You don't want people to discuss things that wrongly went in Spurs' favour? I didn't criticise the lino for missing the 2nd offside, as you say it was marginal but it was ultimately the wrong decision.

My biggest issue is with the first pen, the crazy law that current that ex and current officials are in disagreement over and specifically how the officials on the day came to the decision. The positive thing from all this is Moss won't be officiating a Liverpool game for a very long time now.
 
The statement from the PGMOL is a joke and is only going to make things worse. Either Moss has lied to them, in which case they should be pulling apart his lies and sacking him or more of a concern, they're lying on his behalf.
 
BaZ87 said:
I think the fault is with your understanding of the English language or specifically the scouse accent.. On the first pen Rooney said that at the start of the season the officials told the players that if they try to win a pen by leaving their leg hanging, it's a 2 game ban. And they clearly showed before debating whether it was a foul that Lamela was offside.

What did I say that was wrong exactly?
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Baz, you have a life long Liverpool player and fan saying both were pens. The offside was marginal and have you have to accept these ones you can't blame the ref. If Carra is saying that surely you can accept it :p

I've seen fan bias before but come on, if it was Glen Hoddle or Ledley King saying it I'd understand.
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
Baz, you have a life long Liverpool player and fan saying both were pens. The offside was marginal and have you have to accept these ones you can't blame the ref. If Carra is saying that surely you can accept it :p

I've seen fan bias before but come on, if it was Glen Hoddle or Ledley King saying it I'd understand.
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Sorry, I didn't realise that we have to take our opinions from the views of ex players that played for our club. Tim Sherwood said the first pen was offside (not sure his view on the 2nd), I take it that as he's an ex Spurs player you can accept it's offside? :confused:

And it would appear you do have a fault with understanding English, it's not the scouse accent. I didn't give an opinion in what you quoted. I mentioned what was said on Sky. Rooney claimed that he was told by a ref at the start of the season that what Kane done it would result in a 2 game ban (that's what Rooney said, not my opinion). In their analysis they also showed the 2nd pen was offside. Both are matters of fact, not my opinion. That is what was said on Sky just now.

Edit: but if you want to have my views on both instances.

1. I have no idea what the hell is and isn't offside any more. We've had 2 ex refs come out and say Kane was onside and we've had a current ref in Clattenburg and another ex ref saying that he's offside. I do think it was a foul though.

2. The 2nd pen was offside. Yes it was a very hard decision for the lino to make but he was offside. The foul after the offside decision I'm in 2 minds about. Where the Kane incident I see very much as an attacker drawing or playing for a foul (I think Kane said, he doesn't have to move out of the way), Lamela's been a lot more sneaky and actually moves into VVD. It's the sort of incident we see more and more of and why VAR and retrospective action will never work.
 
i did find it a bit surprising the way the ref quickly said 'i'm giving a penalty' for the first one but the second one is a penalty all day

oh, and salah will leave liverpool before kane leaves spurs. salah will be gone over the summer if liverpool don't get cl football.
 
BaZ87 said:
Sorry, I didn't realise that we have to take our opinions from the views of ex players that played for our club. Tim Sherwood said the first pen was offside (not sure his view on the 2nd), I take it that as he's an ex Spurs player you can accept it's offside? :confused:

And it would appear you do have a fault with understanding English, it's not the scouse accent. I didn't give an opinion in what you quoted. I mentioned what was said on Sky. Rooney claimed that he was told by a ref at the start of the season that what Kane done it would result in a 2 game ban (that's what Rooney said, not my opinion). In their analysis they also showed the 2nd pen was offside. Both are matters of fact, not my opinion. That is what was said on Sky just now.
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I think the difference in calibre between Carragher and Tim Sherwood doesn't need justifying! Baz you're clearly cherry picking snippets to suit, you're still peeved by the game yesterday I'll leave you to stew over it as the discussion is going nowhere of merit:)
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
I think the difference in calibre between Carragher and Tim Sherwood doesn't need justifying! Baz you're clearly cherry picking snippets to suit, you're still peeved by the game yesterday I'll leave you to stew over it as the discussion is going nowhere of merit:)
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I'm perfectly calm which you should be able to see by my edit. I make a point of not posting during the match so that I don't post stupid opinions (and because I'm more concerned with watching the game).

And I'm not cherry picking anything. Strange thing to say seeing as you're cherry picking which pundits views matter, where as none of my views have been determined by any braindead ex player.
 
I think the first one was a pen, but if I was a VAR ref, there’s no way I would give the second. Barely any contact.

Although being an Arsenal fan, I can easily be accused of bias against Spurs.
 
Bakoyoko is beyond dreadful, got himself into that situation with a shocking touch. He's just an all round bad player.
 
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