Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [2nd - 6th February 2018]

I'd love to know who has the final say on decisions. The ref clearly waved away the 2nd pen but then makes a complete u-turn on his assistants opinion.
Nate75 said:
it's like people are surprised?
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Surprised by players doing it or people claiming it is a foul? Diving has become an art - we used to get players going to ground under no challenge, we're now getting attackers create contact to make them go to ground.
 
Shocking what we've just seen on MOTD. Not only do the officials try to get clarification from TV but Moss admits he didn't have a clue whether Lovren touched the ball - surely to give a pen they have to be 100% sure it's a pen and if they can't decide whether he was onside then how can they give the penalty?
 
BaZ87 said:
I'd love to know who has the final say on decisions. The ref clearly waved away the 2nd pen but then makes a complete u-turn on his assistants opinion.

Surprised by players doing it or people claiming it is a foul? Diving has become an art - we used to get players going to ground under no challenge, we're now getting attackers create contact to make them go to ground.
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Surprised by people being surprised by gamesmanship.
 
Nate75 said:
Surprised by people being surprised by gamesmanship.
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Oh, it's common practice but I'm shocked at how many people fall for it. We get players like Vardy kicking defenders every game and moron pundits come out with "there was contact, he was right to go down", ignoring that it was the attacker that created the contact.
 
Watching it again, the second penalty is pretty stonewall, he clearly kicks the back of his knee. Yes, he tries to stop himself, but it's too late. Whether Lamela is moving in his direction and looking for contact or not, it's a wild swing.

The first penalty is a mess, nobody seems sure if Kane is offside or not (due to Lovren trying to play the ball), but Karius barely touches him, there's minimal contact...
 
The Lovren point of playing the ball is nonsense as the pass had already been made forward. No pen. Kane was offside when that pass was made!

VvD struck the player and it was a foul. A manufacted one of course but a foul none the less.

Anyway that's how I read it. Entertaining game.
 
to be honest I don't see any difference with the 2nd penalty compared to defenders protecting the ball from attackers (with no intention of playing it) until it goes out of play.
Lamela does exactly the same thing, yes he goes over easily but its clearly a penalty.

1st pen is harder to call, but it not like its not an obvious action by Lovren to divert the ball - so its irrelevant whether Kane is offside at that point, Lovren has played him on.
I remember Utd having a similar situation last season (against them) I think and the amount of people on here who were laughing at it at the time

I agree (after hearing the 4th official / ref's conversaion on MOTD) that in that specific incident that it should not have been given as they weren't sure Lovren touched it - but at the end of the day he did touch it, so decision (by accident) was the correct one.

so stop whinging

Yet again the robin hoods of the EPL have failed to control a game they were winning (and with less than 60 seconds left as well).
 
Robbo said:
Watching it again, the second penalty is pretty stonewall, he clearly kicks the back of his knee. Yes, he tries to stop himself, but it's too late. Whether Lamela is moving in his direction and looking for contact or not, it's a wild swing.
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I'm not sure either way but to say that Lamela's actions are irrelevant sets a dangerous precedent. VVD's tried to clear the ball and all Lamela's interested in is making contact with VVD - there's a fine line between drawing a foul and ignoring the ball and just running into opponents. Defenders will be scared to touch the ball in the area if they're going to have attackers just run into their leg and appeal for a pen. The fact that it was also offside makes it even more hard to take.

As I touched on above, what's most concerning with both incidents isn't actually the decisions that have been made but how they were made. For the first pen the lino's acknowledged that Kane was offside and neither knew whether Lovren played the ball or not - Moss asked to see if the TV camera's picked up on something then basically says "**** it, I'll give the pen". The 2nd incident Moss see's and clearly waves it away but then makes a complete u-turn when the lino flags. If Moss wasn't in a position to make a decision then why did he immediately say no pen, why didn't he look to his officials first?

FrankJH said:
to be honest I don't see any difference with the 2nd penalty compared to defenders protecting the ball from attackers (with no intention of playing it) until it goes out of play.
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The difference is easy to see to anybody that has any understanding of football. On one hand you have a player in possession of the ball and shielding it from an opponent, on the other hand you have a player not in possession or interested in gaining possession of the ball and just looking to make contact with the opposition player.

Had Lamela been in possession of the ball and VVD just kicks him then it's 100% a penalty but that didn't happen.
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
Never mind Baz there's alway next year when you have a new manager :o

As I said earlier 4 points from Man U and Liverpool isn't bad for side which never performs against the big teams ;)
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lol what?

Frank's line about Robin Hood refers to Liverpool beating the big sides and dropping points to small sides - stealing from the rich and giving to the poor, get it? In this instance Spurs are the poor ;) Edit: I suppose that makes Spurs Robin Hoods too - you got points against a couple of big teams but dropped them to Southampton.

And I'll have a pound with you that you'll be changing manager before Liverpool. Klopp has the full backing of our board and he's 100% happy with them. In the next 18 months when you lose Kane et al, Poch will be joining Real.
 
Apparently the offside rule according to IFAB is that if an opposition player deliberately tries to intercept/play the ball then they can make the player who was previously offside, onside. So the question here becomes whether Lovren deliberately tried to play the ball.

I've seen another angle of the second penalty and a still photo of VvD's boot catching Lamela's calf and I've changed back to thinking it's a penalty now lol. I think the second angle that was posted on this thread is deceptive. Having said that Lamela definitely makes the most of it.
 
nicktay2605 said:
Apparently the offside rule according to IFAB is that if an opposition player deliberately tries to intercept/play the ball then they can make the player who was previously offside, onside. So the question here becomes whether Lovren deliberately tried to play the ball.
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The offside rule's always been a mess but it's instances like this that take it beyond a joke. Lovren 100% has to try to intercept that ball to Kane as he cannot know if Kane is offside or whether the official will flag for it. Kane's clearly interfered with play (literally speaking) and gained an advantage. 99 times out of 100 Kane's given offside there and the officials say it wasn't a deliberate action by Lovren to deflect the ball backwards, which is what Keith Hackett's said applied here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...assistants-par-anfield-spurs-did-not-deserve/

Again, the big issue with today isn't the decisions made but how they've been made and what's been shown on MOTD is pretty damning for Moss. He's seen clearly trying to get help from TV replays and despite having to be 100% sure to award a pen or send a player off, he's openly admitted to guessing on the first penalty decision.
 
I agree with both of you, the first offside decision is a mess and it seems very harsh to penalise Lovren for making any sort of attempt to clear the ball, plus he appeared to already be off balance when trying to clear it. I also agree with you Baz about how they came to the decision, you can't award a penalty if you're not 100% certain and neither of them seemed certain.

What's the world coming to, a United fan agreeing with Liverpool fans :D
 
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