Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th April - 2nd May 2016]

Err, no they don't. Where is the rule that a club has to break even? Under FFP rules you can both absolutely make a loss and also absolutely pay a friend to some foreign company to sponsor your team for an amount that covers any losses. FFP helps rich owners, not hinders them.

Which explains the measures taken against City by UEFA :/

You're right, there's a slight leeway (in the short term anyway) but this idea that owners can bankroll clubs anymore is *******s. As is this dodgy sponsorship thing you keep bringing up - Leicester's owner isn't anything like a Gulf state with a bottomless pit of money and state owned companies to sponsor the club.

I can't remember the exact details off the top of my head but the PL's FFP also has limits on how much clubs can increase their wagebill by each year too.
 
Which explains the measures taken against City by UEFA :/

You're right, there's a slight leeway (in the short term anyway) but this idea that owners can bankroll clubs anymore is *******s. As is this dodgy sponsorship thing you keep bringing up - Leicester's owner isn't anything like a Gulf state with a bottomless pit of money and state owned companies to sponsor the club.

I can't remember the exact details off the top of my head but the PL's FFP also has limits on how much clubs can increase their wagebill by each year too.

4mil previously 7mil for next season and beyond OR every bit of increased revenue excluding soley tv revenue from the league and only applies when wages are over 67million. So Leicester don't fall under it anyway currently, the CL money can go straight into wages, the increased money from league position can go into wages, the increased stadium income can go into wages, they can add 7mil, they can add every penny from increased sponsorship.

The current rules are max loss over 3 years is 35mil average or 105mil if equity is invested in the club, 5mil average or 15mil total with no equity. IE even the rules say the club can have an owner pay literally 30mil a year into the club without being penalised.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32784375

the uefa/CL rules are being relaxed anyway and City and PSG weren't fined for exactly the same things. PSG didn't post losses but did so by having one insane Qatar sponsorship deal for 250mil which stopped them making a loss, this sponsorship was deemed out of fair play. They already 'fixed' that by changing to multiple smaller deals from multiple companies that can all be considered fair value compared to other clubs who already have such deals. City made bigger losses and thought some numbers wouldn't count but were counted. They got a meh 60mil euros fine but if they stick with the punishment things they will get 40mil of that back in a year or two.

These fines didn't stop either club, neither were thrown out of the competition, neither became crippled by the fines and both have multiple completely bogus sponsorship deals, the issue was how/when they were done, the perceived value and how they split them up, both have been fixed. Even so the rules have been relaxed further and every other club just has to copy what these two did to fix their fake sponsorship/equity injection deals and they wouldn't be fined under the old rules let alone the new ones.

However my post was mostly to say, Leicester are barely spending today, they'll be able to increase wages easily and sustainably(without CL long term) by lets say 30mil based purely on stadium income and current tv value deal having increased. Look at Everton with infrequent european seasons spending 70-80mil range very comfortably before the current tv deal increases. On top of that Leicester could move from their own owners sponsorship deal to a new one with an outside company(not fake equity but a genuine deal) which would be worth way more than 16mil a year for next season at least and likely for multiple years still being higher than current deal. They can get an increased shirt/kit deal as well, then there is the CL money itself.

Leicester are a club that will have this year a huge capacity for expansion of wages/squad size without compromising the club financially at all, if they want to increase spending further there are MANY ways to do it without any issues with FFP.
 
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^ lol.

The whole biting thing, I don't get it. I never got it with Suarez, and I don't get it with Costa either. What goes through their head? Obviously throwing a punch is massively out of order, but to actually bite someone?

Bizarre behaviour.
 

DM I can't be ****ed going through this with you again. Leicester's owner can't and more crucially won't bankroll Leicester to the point in which they can compete financially with the richest clubs. There won't be any dodgy sponsors and even with the max losses Leicester can make within FFP (remember they'll be under UEFA's FFP too where the allowed losses are far smaller), they'll still be a million miles behind the richest clubs.

And this idea that FFP is good for the richest owners is beyond ridiculous.
 
DM I can't be ****ed going through this with you again. Leicester's owner can't and more crucially won't bankroll Leicester to the point in which they can compete financially with the richest clubs. There won't be any dodgy sponsors and even with the max losses Leicester can make within FFP (remember they'll be under UEFA's FFP too where the allowed losses are far smaller), they'll still be a million miles behind the richest clubs.

And this idea that FFP is good for the richest owners is beyond ridiculous.

Read what I said, you are quite provably wrong, however no where did I say Leicester could compete with the biggest clubs anywhere at all. So you're arguing against nothing and with completely incorrect information.

Yes, ffp is entirely best for richest owners. Utd have a real 75mil shirt sponsor deal, this opens the door for rich owner to get his best mates company to offer his team a 75mil shirt deal and point at Utd's deal and say "fair value". PSG got fined because they did a 250mil deal and Uefa could point at every other sponsorship deal ever and call bull****. This 250mil is now a say 60mil shirt sponsor, a 60mil kit deal, a 60mil stadium deal, a 60mil coffee machine deal at which point PSG can point to similar deals at other clubs and PSG are not breaking FFP any more.

A club not owned by a super rich owner can't just give a friends company 75mil to give back as a fake sponsorship deal.

PSG and City are currently 100% getting away with what you claim they can't. They got minor fines of which both teams have fixed their issues and it effected neither. City cheated to increase spending and it will cost them a 20mil euro fine... something only rich owners can afford. PSG can afford their fine while still winning their own league and competing in the CL because they have a rich owner. The fines effected neither team, the teams hurt worse by FFP were those who broke the rules without super rich owners.
 
Read what I said, you are quite provably wrong, however no where did I say Leicester could compete with the biggest clubs anywhere at all. So you're arguing against nothing and with completely incorrect information.

Yes, ffp is entirely best for richest owners. Utd have a real 75mil shirt sponsor deal, this opens the door for rich owner to get his best mates company to offer his team a 75mil shirt deal and point at Utd's deal and say "fair value". PSG got fined because they did a 250mil deal and Uefa could point at every other sponsorship deal ever and call bull****.

A club not owned by a super rich owner can't just give a friends company 75mil to give back as a fake sponsorship deal.

PSG and City are currently 100% getting away with what you claim they can't. They got minor fines of which both teams have fixed their issues and it effected neither. City cheated to increase spending and it will cost them a 20mil euro fine... something only rich owners can afford. PSG can afford their fine while still winning their own league and competing in the CL because they have a rich owner. The fines effected neither team, the teams hurt worse by FFP were those who broke the rules without super rich owners.

LOL you're actually trying to suggest that FFP is good for PSG and City? So a world where they're contrained by what they can spend and have to be very creative just so they can spend as much as a Utd or a Rea is better for them than a world where they can blow every other club in Europe out of the water? Genius.

And I've not been proven wrong. My initially post was very simplistic - as I've discussed this with you before you are well aware that I know there's a leeway with FFP.

And look at the post I replied to, Danny was commenting on (rubbishing anyway) the possibility of their owner ploughing money in. It won't happen and it can't happen. If you want to believe it's likely that he's going to ask his mate from the local takeaway to sponsor Leicester's training kit for £20m per year then you believe that - when it doesn't happen I'll just say I told you so because it's not going to happen. Leicester aren't owned by a Gulf state who can throw £m's around and FFP won't allow it despite however you're going to try and suggest it can happen.
 
I found Spurs' display brilliant, they could have easily had red cards but it's Chelsea so it's alright. They're a dirty team themselves and no one likes them either.
Surprising though as Clatternburg loves giving red cards but he's probably saving them for United in the FA Cup final.
You can all laugh at Spurs but no one expected them to be in top 4 either, at least they challenged unlike the usual suspects.
 
LOL you're actually trying to suggest that FFP is good for PSG and City? So a world where they're contrained by what they can spend and have to be very creative just so they can spend as much as a Utd or a Rea is better for them than a world where they can blow every other club in Europe out of the water? Genius.

And I've not been proven wrong. My initially post was very simplistic - as I've discussed this with you before you are well aware that I know there's a leeway with FFP.

And look at the post I replied to, Danny was commenting on (rubbishing anyway) the possibility of their owner ploughing money in. It won't happen and it can't happen. If you want to believe it's likely that he's going to ask his mate from the local takeaway to sponsor Leicester's training kit for £20m per year then you believe that - when it doesn't happen I'll just say I told you so because it's not going to happen. Leicester aren't owned by a Gulf state who can throw £m's around and FFP won't allow it despite however you're going to try and suggest it can happen.

I made an initial post quoting you because you specifically said they can't increase spending because they HAVE TO BREAK EVEN.

This is categorically wrong, without any dodgy sponsorship deals this is categorically wrong. There is absolutely no rule anywhere saying the clubs have to break even. There is a specific amount of losses you can take without getting any kind of punishment at all. There is also quite literally a different amount you can lose if a owner injects cash. The rules quite clearly state the owner can(currently) inject 30mil a year within the rules extra.

I also didn't say I thought it would happen, but you are once again saying it can't happen and you are once again completely wrong. Not only is there literally a rule that says the owner can plough an extra 30mil a year into the club to offset losses, PSG/City absolutely and completely prove you can add stupid sponsorship deals to enable further injection of cash by the owner.....'s best mate in the east somewhere. You're adding this new argument where I'm apparently saying they can and will bankroll the club to match the richest clubs. I never mentioned them competing with the richest clubs, I never said the Leicester owner would do this, I pointed out where your statements on FFP are quite categorically wrong. Every single source on FFP proves what you are saying is wrong.

Also yes, it helps rich owners. THe only constraint is having the financial power and relationships of the super rich to make new sponsorship deals funded by your own cash and also pay off any fines. The constraints can be legally broken by paying fines, the only owners that can afford to break the constraints are the super rich, other clubs can't.

PSG can afford to break FFP by losing an extra 100mil, by spending an extra hundred mil and paying a $30mil fine on it if they want, a non rich owner can lose 7mil average over 3 seasons and get a fine they can't afford from that. This is a set of rules that only the super rich can afford to break and makes losses for the smaller/middle clubs so costly and difficult that spending a little heavier for a few years hoping to move up the table becomes way way more difficult than it used to be.
 
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What the hell was wrong with Spurs tonight? Jeez, one or two in a game is annoying, but watch all of these combined. How did no one get sent off?

https://streamable.com/7b9b

Awful from Spurs.

AND as a die hard LCFC fan since Feb 2016, I can't tell you how much this means to me :D
Absolutely fantastic stuff, well done!
 
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Absolutely disgusting stuff from spurs, didn't expect that from them. For a minute I thought they may be Chelsea in disguise lol.

Hopefully the FA take some action against Dembele for his eye gouge.

Spurs trying too hard to be tough but ended up looking like a bunch of dirty scumbags.


So very happy that they didn't win and my team Leicester won :D
 
For all the argument over Leicester going out and competing with the big boys and spending mega millions, I really hope they don't. Stick to your fine Leicester, keep a tight knit squad and the good spirit. Filling the squad with mercanaries will destroy them more surely than tweaking and adding to a title winning squad.
 
Blue rules, a good result at last and congratulations to Leicester. :)

As to the bad losers, hope the book gets throw at them for their absolutely disgraceful performance.
 
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