well, i'm entitled to my opinion, you're entitled to yours. that's life. age has nothing to do with it, i couldn't care for yours, age that is, not opinion.
Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Dec 2011 - 4th Jan 2012]
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well, i'm entitled to my opinion, you're entitled to yours. that's life. age has nothing to do with it, i couldn't care for yours, age that is, not opinion.
I was just wondering why you were struggling with it.
I've not seen the incident but from what I've read, Barton pushed his head into the Norwich players head? If that's the case, he's running the risk of getting sent off and you can't have too many complaints if you are sent off. Whether it deserves the same ban as a full blown headbutt is another matter though.
Didn't see that at all myself, granted I've only seen the one reply.
Looked like two players squaring up to each other and the Norwich player reacting to nothing.
Might of seen Barton on twitter mention about the red card being rescinded.
It was just a case of both players getting in each others faces. Neither went in less than the other, Johnson recoiled away from nothing he wasn't doing right back to Barton.
Its stuff like this that is making me lose interest in the sport in general.
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Firstly, from the linesman view he see's two player get face to face and one reel backwards, if that player got hit or faked it the linesmen will likely get the impression Barton headbutted him, so it SHOULD be a red card.
If replays show later on that one played dived, red card recinded and punishment to the diver would be fair, maybe that will happen.
Morale outrage from Barton who has both dived to get players carded and sent off this season, who gets into crap almost every game is laughable.
There is also a suggestion that the player reeled back and checked his face because Barton spat at him, no idea if its true, the only replays I've seen were from a stupid distance that show smeg all basically.
Decent video replays available to the ref during the game may have stopped that being a red, or confirmed it as a red on the spot.
The only thing more ridiculous is Wenger facing an FA charge for having a go at the ref, not for the charge part but for Wenger having a go at the ref.
Wenger has said that as soon as Djourou got a yellow he thought they'd be trying to get him sent off and the ref was conned into it. I'm not sure there was much of a foul on Zamora, but Djourou was likely lucky to be on the pitch at that point and DID put an arm on him giving the ref and the player an excuse to make that decision.
The fact that Wenger admits he saw it coming from the second he got the yellow card........... then did nothing about it is the damning part of his admission. He saw it coming as I said earlier, and did nothing, again. Wenger walks into these problems time and time again and never, ever learns anything new. He thought he would get a red and yet failed to sub him earlier, what a god damned genius, and after making this mistake he's blamed the ref rather than himself........ again.
If replays show later on that one played dived, red card recinded and punishment to the diver would be fair, maybe that will happen.
Morale outrage from Barton who has both dived to get players carded and sent off this season, who gets into crap almost every game is laughable.
There is also a suggestion that the player reeled back and checked his face because Barton spat at him, no idea if its true, the only replays I've seen were from a stupid distance that show smeg all basically.
Decent video replays available to the ref during the game may have stopped that being a red, or confirmed it as a red on the spot.
The only thing more ridiculous is Wenger facing an FA charge for having a go at the ref, not for the charge part but for Wenger having a go at the ref.
Wenger has said that as soon as Djourou got a yellow he thought they'd be trying to get him sent off and the ref was conned into it. I'm not sure there was much of a foul on Zamora, but Djourou was likely lucky to be on the pitch at that point and DID put an arm on him giving the ref and the player an excuse to make that decision.
The fact that Wenger admits he saw it coming from the second he got the yellow card........... then did nothing about it is the damning part of his admission. He saw it coming as I said earlier, and did nothing, again. Wenger walks into these problems time and time again and never, ever learns anything new. He thought he would get a red and yet failed to sub him earlier, what a god damned genius, and after making this mistake he's blamed the ref rather than himself........ again.
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Wenger is a fool if he saw it comming and never subbed him off. Then again, when u sub him off for schollachi. might as well take the risk of Djurough getting sent off as schollachi is worse
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Yea that is true. We should be rotating better. IMO the only player we cant afford to rotate now is RVP as no one else can score for us.
so you would prefer the linesman to possibly get it completely wrong, one team unfairly drop three points when down to ten men, just over a hunch....
So what if the red can be recinded later, wont bring back the possibility of winning that particular game (when others on his team could be injured, playing under difference circumstances etc etc)
Maybe the lino got it wrong, but he HAS to go with what he genuinely saw (even if its an honest mistake) rather than trying to guess whats happened
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So wait, I say the linesman has to go with what he believes he saw, and you call me on it, then repeat the same thing in slightly different words?
The linesman saw what he believed to be Barton headbutting someone, at that point it has to be a red card, that is what I said, and that appears to be what you are saying as well, really not sure what the issue is.
The fact that he maybe didn't do that is neither here nor there, you can't give decisions over what you logic out maybe really happened, refs/linesman see something they give it, sometimes they will see things incorrectly, that has been part of football since football started. The ONLY way to change this is the ability to see video replays.
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Yes but this way we both lost Djourou, lost the game and he'll now have a ban, had he subbed him and we lost the game we would still be in a better position than we currently are now.
Its utterly ridiculous for Wenger to admit he saw it coming, and did nothing about it, but that is Wenger, he walks into these things head first and NEVER learns from his mistakes, he's fallen into this trap time and time and time again for over a decade and still makes the same mistake, he is incapable of learning any more.
What's worse is, we ALL could see this situation coming years ago because, Djourou isn't good enough, Squillaci isn't good enough, and Gibbs is a known useless injury prone twit who won't ever be part of our first team consistently.
A half decent manager would have shipped out Squillaci, Djourou and bought in quality replacements, instead we added more useless defenders to the squad, while keeping the injury prone or flat out not good enough players as well, we could be in a ridiculously stronger position had we gone out early in the transfer window and got who we needed, rather than whoever he could panic buy in the final couple days of the transfer window.
Squillaci, okay no one had really heard of him or rated him as a top notch player and its not like he was young, but still even good buys go bad, that is life. But he could not more clearly be utterly out of his depth, so sell him, at a loss. Its better to sell at a loss and save 3 years of extra wages, than just keep him as woefully inadequate backup for 3 years, because that will cost us points time and time again.
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Wenger out?
i have a close friend who is an arsenal fan and has stuck by wenger through thick and thin though even he texted me last night and said that it's maybe time for someone new but the reality is, no one could do a better job, especially with the current team. he could not understand why walcott was taken off though and even i as a spurs fan was scratching my head at that one.
Don't usually agree with the drivel drunken master posts, but he has got it spot on here.
We need buy or loan on out 1 lb and 1 rb. Get rid of sqalachi or whatever his name is, waste of wages... Get rid of almunia already... Chamack can go too.
Maybe look for a player of vermalens caliber who can play rb and an cb well. In which care Johan can be off too.
We really do need a world class striker as to either play with RGP or rotate with him. If we keep relying on him too much he will burn out, dry up, or get injured.
I thought walcott played **** btw. Only thing he showed yesterday is pace. **** crosses and can't shoot or finish consistently, and he wants to be a striker...
Very disapointed with the loss
We need buy or loan on out 1 lb and 1 rb. Get rid of sqalachi or whatever his name is, waste of wages... Get rid of almunia already... Chamack can go too.
Maybe look for a player of vermalens caliber who can play rb and an cb well. In which care Johan can be off too.
We really do need a world class striker as to either play with RGP or rotate with him. If we keep relying on him too much he will burn out, dry up, or get injured.
I thought walcott played **** btw. Only thing he showed yesterday is pace. **** crosses and can't shoot or finish consistently, and he wants to be a striker...
Very disapointed with the loss
After just catching up with the highlights this morning I think Barton was unfortunate to have been sent off yesterday.
The replay makes it difficult to tell exactly what happened but from what I could see it doesn't look as if he did anything, and given that Grant Holt even said he shouldn't have been sent off is even more convincing that there was nothing in it, and Johnson has played against Barton's reputation and got him sent off.
As a referee myself, what distgusted me more than anything was the shoddy way the officials went about it. Neither of them saw the incident, despite what the assistant is claiming. If he had, then he should have flagged straight away, not allowed QPR to continue playing.
The game only stopped after Barton was fouled. A red card offense is an instant stop in play which suggests to me both officials missed it. If anyone claimed to have saw it, it would have to have come from the 4th official.
The replay makes it difficult to tell exactly what happened but from what I could see it doesn't look as if he did anything, and given that Grant Holt even said he shouldn't have been sent off is even more convincing that there was nothing in it, and Johnson has played against Barton's reputation and got him sent off.
As a referee myself, what distgusted me more than anything was the shoddy way the officials went about it. Neither of them saw the incident, despite what the assistant is claiming. If he had, then he should have flagged straight away, not allowed QPR to continue playing.
The game only stopped after Barton was fouled. A red card offense is an instant stop in play which suggests to me both officials missed it. If anyone claimed to have saw it, it would have to have come from the 4th official.
Best laugh I've had all day.
Thats the thing, your a spuds supporter
so u can be pardoned for not understanding why he was taken off.Seriously though Walcott is absolute utter utter rubbish...all he has to his name is pace and even then hes like a headless chicken with the ball, he hasnt got a footballing brain and his crossing is dire. He's so damn inconsistent but yet Wenger perseveres with the guy. I admire Wengers perserverance but damn there comes a time when you think...right this lad isnt going to be as good as i thought and its time we got rid.
Problem with Wenger is that hes too damn stubborn especially when it comes to the transfer windows...he doesnt buy world class players and then leaves it too late and panic buying sets in, he then buys players that no other team wants lol.
Personally i want to see Arshavin, Chamakh, Gervinho, Squillachi, Walcott and Djourou all out of the team...they offer FA to the team and have the odd one or 2 games where they do well but mostly they do nothing but hinder the team as shown last night with Djourou sending off then Squillachi's ineptness at clearing the ball. Soon as i saw that muppet coming on, i said oh oh Fulham definitely going to score again.
Its infuriating that twice we got screwed by Fulham, first time round we drew and last night they beat us
...**** me if we cant beat the lower teams then how the hell do we manage to get into the top 4??.Tiredness is not an excuse as far as im concerned and already Wenger is making out that Fulham purposely got Djourou sent off...no Wenger you blind arse he got sent off because hes a rubbish defender...its as simple as that. Embarrassing as an Arsenal supporter when your manager comes out with crap like that.
