Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Dec 2011 - 4th Jan 2012]

Really didn't think that was a red for Barton, the couple of tackles on Barton previously were shocking.
 
What are you on about?? Absolute nonsense post. Teams rotate and rest tired players all the time, which means it's not a problem. If one team hasn't got the squad depth to rotate, then their players will be more tired than other teams.

Arsenal have had the same six players playing midfield and up front in every game in multiple tournaments for the past few months. Same defenders as well mostly, with caveats being the injuries at the back.

No luxury of rotation = unavoidable tiredness.

Arsenal fault for not having enough squad depth, but you could see in the second half that Arteta and Ramsey couldn't even run. They were flapping their arms about like players do in Fifa when they run out of stamina.

His point is, using tiredness as an excuse when you can rotate players but choose not to, makes the excuse a joke and he's bang on.

Firstly Ox IS better than Gervinho, so why hasn't he been played more often, if we had tired players, why didn't he start today? Benny is on a big wage and has barely played at all, so why didn't he start. Coquelin has been around all season and afaik fit all season, so why rush him in at left back when someone is injured, he's actually looked very competent in all his performances, that is another player who could have come in for games to give Arteta/Song a break, Frimpong started games early season and really hadn't been seen.

The simple fact is that as always Arsenal have a BIG squad, loads of players, but Wenger refuses to rotate and in general this is a huge part of why Arsenal are always in an injury crisis(it is really hard to not spell that as crysis these days), play someone till they are injured, then put in someone who hasn't played a run of games in over a year and be shocked they don't instantly play well.


There is NO reason at all for Arsenal's squad to be tired, other teams rest players.

If we rotated properly all season long, we'd likely have far fewer injuries.

Hell, we'd have more players to rotate if we stopped throwing contracts at stupid players. There wasn't ever a reason to buy Chamakh, Gibbs and Diaby should have been released years ago, Rosicky as well. If we released a left back who can barely complete a single half before being injured, or Diaby who is both epically awful, incompetent and can't stay fit to save his life, that is two squad positions and two wages that could go on two players who actually can stay fit for more than 3 minutes a season, two more starters or two more players who can be used in rotation to help prevent injuries and tiredness to our first team.

If Diaby and Gibbs were rock solid and randomly got long term injuries there wouldn't be anything you could do about that, Wenger is entirely at fault for still relying on Diaby or Gibbs.
 
To be fair to the guy , he took a elbow to the face before and then squared up to him.

Think they both should have gone IMO

Dont get me wrong my post wasn't based on his red card which was harsh imo, just that he's been pretty crap since signing for QPR :p
 
of course it was a red. warnock trying to defend it was nothing but laughable.

Did not see Barton move his head forward at all, Johnson cheated and got Barton sent off. Just looked like two players handbags, nothing more to do.

Also, Barton took some pretty horrible tackles previously to the red card.
 
Did not see Barton move his head forward at all, Johnson cheated and got Barton sent off. Just looked like two players handbags, nothing more to do.

Also, Barton took some pretty horrible tackles previously to the red card.

oh come on, it's barton. he has no one to blame but himself and shouldn't get into such situations. becoming a father has obviously worked wonders for his loutish attitude :rolleyes:
 
oh come on, it's barton. he has no one to blame but himself and shouldn't get into such situations. becoming a father has obviously worked wonders for his loutish attitude :rolleyes:

So? He did not commit a foul. That seemed to be Guilty by association. Which is wrong.

He took some pretty nasty tackles early on too.
 
Seems like Barton got sent off because of his rep, none of the officials saw a thing.
Straight red on the grounds of its Joey Barton, he is obviously the aggressor.
 
So? He did not commit a foul. That seemed to be Guilty by association. Which is wrong.

He took some pretty nasty tackles early on too.

it's his stupidity. his reputation is indefencable for stuff like this so until the idiot learns to knock it out of his game completely, it will keep happening to him. if the shoe was on the other foot, he'd have been on the floor, writhing around in agony, he's done it before. the ref had a great view, as did the assistant and ok it'd should've been flagged instantly but wasn't, even so barton continues to get 'up in peoples face' he will continue to get sent off. his career as a footballer should've been terminated a long time ago with his loutish behaviour.
 
I'm sorry but you're just talking bull. A player shouldn't be sent off based on his reputation, which is what you're saying. That incident wasn't worthy of a red card.
 
I'm sorry but you're just talking bull. A player shouldn't be sent off based on his reputation, which is what you're saying. That incident wasn't worthy of a red card.

he's stupid and needs to work that little bit harder to not get into those type of situations. his reputation obviously comes into it but that's his fault. same as lampards reputation came into it when he wasn't given a straight red at wolves today. joey barton gets up in someone's face after getting kicked around a little = tough, if you dish it out, expect to take it. not the first time, certainly wont be the last.
 
You're still failing to understand the point.

Barton didn't commit a foul worth of a red card, so he shouldn't of being sent off.

His reputation got him sent off, which isn't fair nor right. You seem to be saying that because he's acted like an arse in the past he deserves to get sent off in situations like this. Which is wrong.

You're still talking bull.
 
You're still failing to understand the point.

Barton didn't commit a foul worth of a red card, so he shouldn't of being sent off.

His reputation got him sent off, which isn't fair nor right. You seem to be saying that because he's acted like an arse in the past he deserves to get sent off in situations like this. Which is wrong.

You're still talking bull.

he's got nobody to blame but himself. zero sympathy for him.

the sad thing about it, is he has actual got a decent footballing brain. why he feels the need to bring the loutish part of his brain onto the pitch in this (and many other occassions) and not be the bigger man and walk away from a situation is beyond me. officials lost their patience with him a long time ago. today was a classic example.
 
You still don't seem to get this concept do you? How old are you? It's not a hard concept to grasp. Barton didn't do anything worthy of a red card, he should not of being sent off.

The 'well he was a bit of an arse before' is such a weak excuse. You seem to have beef with him.
 
Norwich fan here and it probably wasn't a red card, even Grant Holt is defending Joey Barton.

Warnock is such a hateful man though, cannot stand him.

happy for 3 points :p
 
You still don't seem to get this concept do you? How old are you? It's not a hard concept to grasp. Barton didn't do anything worthy of a red card, he should not of being sent off.

The 'well he was a bit of an arse before' is such a weak excuse. You seem to have beef with him.

i'm 32. the only problem i have with him, is that he is a thug (proven) players get red carded and escape red cards all the time, it works both ways.

i can't see how you can't think what barton did was stupid. worthy of a red card or not, getting up in an oppossing players face because you're a little wound up at being kicked around a little is asking for trouble, especially if your name's joey barton.

the officials are fully aware of bartons reputation, a player of his reputation, who continues to do stupid things and will continue to get red carded for such stupid things has no place in the prem imo. barton knew fully well what he was doing, he was being aggressive when he should have walked away.

and as far as i can tell the him being a 'bit of an arse' is still present tense and will continue to be so, until he turns over a new leaf.
 
Jeez. 32.

Honestly, what part of this is difficult for you to understand?

Barton didn't do anything worth of a red card, so he shouldn't of being sent off. Just because he stood up to Johnson (handbags nothing more) doesn't mean he should be sent off.

I've not said what he did was / wasn't stupid, but he didn't commit a foul, so shouldn't of being sent off. Players shouldn't be sent off because of their reputation, especially given that the referee wasn't 100% on what he saw. Just because Barton has a reputation doesn't mean in these cases he should be sent off.

Christ, it's like explaining this to a child.
 
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