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Last year's Champions League final rang, it disagrees with you.
Besides he'd be starting over "I'm not sure how to cross over the first man" Young.
Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Mar - 2nd April 2012]
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Last year's Champions League final rang, it disagrees with you.
Besides he'd be starting over "I'm not sure how to cross over the first man" Young.
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Well, personally asides from the list being good, its not particularly nice to "lol" at them. Duff has been excellent at Fulham, but struggled with fitness, N'zogbia was brilliant at Wigan and, theres more than one very decent footballer at Villa playing awful football, I'd be blaming Mcleish there not N'zogbia, he's still shown touches of pure class this year and if Villa get a real manager he'll be excellent again. Bassong was overhyped but given a run of actual games he'll regain form, decent CB.
Nolan is usually half decent but again in a team that plays negative football he won't be at his best and Given is still an outstanding keeper, played a good number of games at City where he was great and is still great.
The most important thing amongst those deals is, offloading players who weren't good enough, and getting at the very least good value for the players they did sell.
AFAIK Newcastle brought in around 25mil total in the previous two seasons through effective selling and while spending a decent amount on players also, just far better value players.
Nolan isn't and wasn't a bad player, just not great value on the wage he was on, same goes for a lot of the guys on that list.
Barton, he may be sucking this season but again the really important thing is he was on a ridiculous wage and wanted to keep a ridiculous wage. Most people(you included? I can't remember) thought getting rid of him was a very bad thing at the beginning of the season, most people were saying he was brilliant for you last season, and he did work pretty well for you last season. Ultimately it was simply a good business deal, the fact that he went to QPR for the money and got stuck in a pretty awful team has no relation to the fact that at the time of the sale, he was one of your most inform players and he was sold not for being bad, but it made better business sense to replace him with someone cheaper.
You picked one of a handful of games where he didn't play well, and after he had just come back from a broken leg. Nani is awful, his inability to cross is astounding and he only reason for so many assists last year was due to us playing one winger for vast majorities of the season. Valencia has the best games to assist ratio in the league and I believe Nanis is the lowest of our primary assist players. Of course no one played well in that game and thinking Nani would have made any difference to us doing better just seems ridiculous, may as well say that Gibson should have played in midfield because he could have scored goals. Valencia played because he took his chances and Nani was consistently underwhelming, as he has been for the majority of the season.
Nani also doesn't cross quick enough, takes poor corners and doesn't eat his man or make them commit enough to get in the box. Valencia is excellent at this. Then there is the defensive side of things. Valencia and Rafael have a stunning partnership with Rafael often receiving over 100 touches a game when playing with Valencia. When he plays with Nani he often has two runners to mark and his forward game is neutralised.
As for young, hasn't he got 2 assists in his last 3 games? Norwich and Wolves?
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The lol wasn't intended to say they are bad players, merely that they thought they were going on to better things and were bigger than the club and they are now all worse off from a footballing perspective.
Barring Owen, Beye and Barton (but only because off the off field baggage) I would have happily kept them all as squad players and we would be better for it. However they were unrealistic in their wage demands when the club needed to start acting sensibly so the best thing was for them to be moved on. I would take Enrique, Carroll, Duff, zogbia, Nolan and Bassong back tomorrow as squad players but they are too greedy and believe their own hype hence why they are gone.
Who was it that said if you can get 50% of transfers right your on the right path?
Obertan and Marveaux are really the only two blips so far but at cheap prices and free's it nothing major all part of the new system.
Obertan(3m) replaced routledge (3m). he has been a lot better for us than routledge ever was.
As for Marveaux every time I seen him play he been very good but it does seem very injury prone.
As DM stated selling your best players for silly offers leaves room for mistakes in the transfer window.
The only player I think that might leave in the summer is Tiote and I wish him the best if he goes he deserves to play in the champions league.
Obertan and Marveaux are really the only two blips so far but at cheap prices and free's it nothing major all part of the new system.
Obertan(3m) replaced routledge (3m). he has been a lot better for us than routledge ever was.
As for Marveaux every time I seen him play he been very good but it does seem very injury prone.
As DM stated selling your best players for silly offers leaves room for mistakes in the transfer window.
The only player I think that might leave in the summer is Tiote and I wish him the best if he goes he deserves to play in the champions league.
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As you said Marvaeux has a lot of potential if he canget past the injuries, looks great on the ball as does Abeid who should be first team.
I think most fans are expecting Tiote to go in the summer and only the morons (of which there are unfortunately a lot) would begrudge him that as he has been a great player for us. However hearing what Tiote has to say I think there is a chance he may shock a lot of people and choose to stay (if Cashley gives him the option) s he says he is very happy with us and enjoys playing with other African players. Time will tell but if we get Euro it will only increase our chances of keeping him.
Rumour has it we have finally tied down a deal for Pieters with it going through before the euros for about 6mill. Hope it does because I can see his value going up after starting for holland in the euros because he looks a good player.
I think most fans are expecting Tiote to go in the summer and only the morons (of which there are unfortunately a lot) would begrudge him that as he has been a great player for us. However hearing what Tiote has to say I think there is a chance he may shock a lot of people and choose to stay (if Cashley gives him the option) s he says he is very happy with us and enjoys playing with other African players. Time will tell but if we get Euro it will only increase our chances of keeping him.
Rumour has it we have finally tied down a deal for Pieters with it going through before the euros for about 6mill. Hope it does because I can see his value going up after starting for holland in the euros because he looks a good player.
Obertan is a frustrating character because in a sprint he'll beat just about anyone, but his decision making is awful. If you can improve that part of his game he could be a real weapon to use and, as you say, he's better than Routledge anyway.
Obertan is Guti of a few years ago, great runs but no end product. We need better than him for now but he will hopefully develop some more, could be a great player then.
Yup heard that a while ago but with a smaller transfer fee. He picked a bit of long injury this season also but is back playing I think. Pieters lb? Santon go back to his Natural RB? Simpson sold due to not signing a new contract?
Douglas Franco Teixeira a highly rated cb from FC Twente is meant to be a done deal on a free
Some websites are saying the deal wont be done to late august due to him getting a Dutch passport so he can play for HollandYup heard that a while ago but with a smaller transfer fee. He picked a bit of long injury this season also but is back playing I think. Pieters lb? Santon go back to his Natural RB? Simpson sold due to not signing a new contract?
Douglas Franco Teixeira a highly rated cb from FC Twente is meant to be a done deal on a free
Nothing has been really said about Simpson but I would not be shocked to see him on his way for 5-6mill before his contract winds down as Cashley really takes no bull on that front. Shame as Simpson is a good player and seems committed but rumours I have heard on various Mag forums is that he is greedy ****** when it comes to wage demands.
I would not be too sad if he got Pieters in as a replacement (he looked good in the England/Holland friendly) but we would then need another fullback as we will struggle if one gets injured because whilst Guti/Taylor can cover its not ideal.
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Simpson certainly isn't bad but, I see little that suggests he's brilliant going forwards or , he's not really technically gifted. He works hard and maybe more importantly than his skill the back four works well as a unit alongside Tiote and the midfield working well.
I don't think it would be difficult to find someone as good, really at all, its more about the system, the team performing well together and a defence being trained to do the right things.
I'll point out how people have gone on about how great Koscielny has been , and Verm, and Sagna, and Song, yet, we've conceded what, one less than Newcastle and 33% more than Spurs is it, its not good. Defence is FAR more than the sum of its parts, I think the hair is actually a very good defender for you, the other guys are more, average players and I think our CB's are significantly better(with a worse DM and no one like Guti to help out). Great players with a crap system/training just doesn't work very well, average players with a great system/training can work brilliantly.
I don't think it would be difficult to find someone as good, really at all, its more about the system, the team performing well together and a defence being trained to do the right things.
I'll point out how people have gone on about how great Koscielny has been , and Verm, and Sagna, and Song, yet, we've conceded what, one less than Newcastle and 33% more than Spurs is it, its not good. Defence is FAR more than the sum of its parts, I think the hair is actually a very good defender for you, the other guys are more, average players and I think our CB's are significantly better(with a worse DM and no one like Guti to help out). Great players with a crap system/training just doesn't work very well, average players with a great system/training can work brilliantly.
Man Utd: De Gea, Rafael Da Silva, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra, Carrick, Scholes, Jones, Valencia, Hernandez, Rooney.
Subs: Amos, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Young, Welbeck, Pogba.
A bit odd to have Jones in midfield really, really don't like him there at all. I'd imagine Rooney is covering the left side and it's a 4-3-3 probably.
Subs: Amos, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Young, Welbeck, Pogba.
A bit odd to have Jones in midfield really, really don't like him there at all. I'd imagine Rooney is covering the left side and it's a 4-3-3 probably.
No but I have just seen, for the first time, his dive. What was he thinking!?
i am inept and out of my depth, i can't take the pressure.
he has to be on borrowed time now. dalglish defended him so much and he tells him to 'f' off and heads straight for the tunnel almost in tears. he can't cope.
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The business side of Newcastle has been amazing the last few years.
However having the luck to bring in a cheap unknown ish player that is going to do as well as our signings have been isnt always going to be on our side.
Yeh we have done well by getting rid of players that start getting over the top with their wages and getting in players cheaper but that wont always happen.
It will be nice if these players stay grounded and maybe even want to hang around to see what we can do next year, given that europe looks more definite with the addition of maybe a couple more players over the summer and a good start to next season who knows what can happen
However having the luck to bring in a cheap unknown ish player that is going to do as well as our signings have been isnt always going to be on our side.
Yeh we have done well by getting rid of players that start getting over the top with their wages and getting in players cheaper but that wont always happen.
It will be nice if these players stay grounded and maybe even want to hang around to see what we can do next year, given that europe looks more definite with the addition of maybe a couple more players over the summer and a good start to next season who knows what can happen
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I don't think its that(or only that) these days there is simply more to be won than a simple goal. Stay up, get a goal, go down, get a penalty probable goal, red card for the keeper, easier game, probable win and hurt the opposition for a 3 game ban. Unfortunately there is a very real reward for diving that is far greater than a goal.... also a risk, because a goal may have spurred them on to a win.
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You're right, they have gotten somewhat lucky, but not massively so. They did business at the right time, lots of teams have the tendancy to over stretch and that is normally when the problems creep in. Pardew could have panicked and bought god knows who with hours left in the transfer window last January, had he done so he wouldn't have gotten Ba or Cisse, and also couldn't afford those two players now.
The biggest problem most clubs have in transfers is, being goaded into paying for big name players, doing business late, panic buying and maybe most importantly buying a player who has a certain position/style, with the intention of shoehorning them into a different system/position.
Gervinho has sucked how badly playing in a new position for no reason? Walcott? Pardew needed a striker or two, had the money, and waited for a great value striker with quality to become available, then bought him. Even worse with Wenger is, he's bought ONE player I can think of, changed his position and found a gem of a player, Henry, so now he's chasing that glory and past success by assuming he can buy any winger/striker and change their role. The majority of Arsenal's deals lately have been cringeworthy, overpaying for a slow tall defender crap in the air in for a faster league that no one else wanted? Buying another striker to force out to the wing, bringing in a stupidly expensive loan player on a big wage who has been injured or crap for over a season........ it's not bad luck, these were purely bad decisions.
As long as they keep doing business the same way, 90% of the luck is removed from the equation, as long as you aren't overpaying, even when you get unlucky, its not going to hurt you badly.
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