Erm because I disagree? I'm not going to agree with someone just to please your little mind
I also disagree with your assessment of Shami for the record as well
Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [30th Mar - 2nd April 2012]
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Erm because I disagree? I'm not going to agree with someone just to please your little mind
I also disagree with your assessment of Shami for the record as well
Im a United fan, I wouldn't say we were poor, I would say up until the 80th minute Blackburn played incredibly disciplined football and stuck to a game plan that almost worked for them.
To other united fans (Tom) let the haters (cm1179) hate, at the end of the day we are the ones that are 5 points clear and winning games, doesn't matter how we do it.
To other united fans (Tom) let the haters (cm1179) hate, at the end of the day we are the ones that are 5 points clear and winning games, doesn't matter how we do it.
Erm because I disagree? I'm not going to agree with someone just to please your little mind
lol it wouldn't be to please me at all, i know what united are, they're a masterclass in self belief who play sub par football.
Sub par football that's somehow managed to score more goals than your beloved Spurs (who by the by have the mental strength of a Gnat).
So tell me for your supposed better brand of football where has it actually gotten you?
EDIT: My reason for actually entertaining you on this by the way is that for years Arsenal claimed to play the best football in the league and were mocked because the good football didn't actually bring them any real success, I'd wager that the likes of yourself (especially being a Spurs supporter) was one of the main culprits that took particular joy in mocking Arsenal over this..... highly ironic that now the only thing Spurs have going for them is this perceived idea that they play the best football in the league and like their near rivals have absolutely **** all to show for it
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Have to say Utd with a 5 pt lead...odds on to win the EPL yet again. Im no fan of UTD but i have to give it to them...yr in yr out they seem to get stronger as the season nears its end. The amount of times in the past they have come from behind to win the EPL is one hell of an achievement.
God knows how Fergie gets them winning at the right time but they seem to do this every yr more or less
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God knows how Fergie gets them winning at the right time but they seem to do this every yr more or less
.the only thing Spurs have going for them is this perceived idea that they play the best football in the league and like their near rivals have absolutely **** all to show for it
well, seeing as only one team can ever win a league, what's wrong with that? i know what i'd rather watch. you're obviously all about the 'glory glory'. the quality of the pl has declined, you won the league and got embarrassed in europe, that's a great contrast right there.
the fact you're entertaining this, is because you know it's true.
How did Spurs do in Europe this season?
Again for all Spurs' perceived best football in the league do you know how many times Spurs have scored more than 3 goals in a game this season? 8. Do you know how many times Spurs have scored 4 or more in a game this season? Twice. Do you know how many times Man Utd have scored 3 or more in a game this season? 11. Do you know how many times Man Utd have scored 4 or more in a game this season? 6.
You say you know what you'd rather see, well if it's team that more often than not doesn't actually score more than twice in a game (despite this so called superior brand of football) and is devoid of any testicles over a team that scores goals and wins games even when they're not playing well then good luck to you and may you long be happy in your little bubble of mediocrity
Rooney actually doesn't hold the ball up that well because he doesn't have a great first touch (very often rolls it up to himself at chest height) and isn't that quick over 2 yards (why he seldom dribbles past players anymore), he's better when he has players around him in a flowing counter attack.
The only player we have that can hold it is Berbatov who is ridiculously strong and has an insane first touch when he can be bothered to play. But Man Utd haven't really relied on a holding man since the days of Mark Hughes. Even with Van Nistelrooy we played it quick to the wings.
I agree, it was pumped up to our smallest player between their CB and LB, it was purely fortunate Hernandez managed to get anything on that. That said, Rooney's long passing game is actually a lot stronger than his 5-yard passing game.
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As have I, just because I'm not a nickg and bang on about them every post doesn't mean I dont recognise them so dont paint yourself as that type either because like me you're more often than not very positive about your side.
Haha, good old nickg. Is he still on here?
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No we didn't play fantastic football, we weren't as woeful as people make out either though - it wasn't the worst or best i've seen this season from us.
It's either one extreme or another on this place, it's ever so frustrating and you usually can't have a good conversation, Nokkon seems to be able to talk sense rather than babble back and forwards constantly over the same arguments, finally!
I became most frustrated with the fact we constantly used the same tactic of pass it out to Valencia, he puts in a cross, no one wants it or they get it too easily. That was annoying as heck and wasn't getting us anywhere, things started to get better once we had Giggs/Young on and we could actually play it elsewhere.
By 70 minutes or something Valencia had swung in 20+ crosses I think the commentators said, they weren't terrible crosses but it was either just Welbeck or Hernandez in there and it wasn't working, this is where the issue was.
Plus, at least Fergie is finally realising again that Rafael is our best RB. It's been such a shame that he's hardly played there this season, despite his injuries.
It's either one extreme or another on this place, it's ever so frustrating and you usually can't have a good conversation, Nokkon seems to be able to talk sense rather than babble back and forwards constantly over the same arguments, finally!
I became most frustrated with the fact we constantly used the same tactic of pass it out to Valencia, he puts in a cross, no one wants it or they get it too easily. That was annoying as heck and wasn't getting us anywhere, things started to get better once we had Giggs/Young on and we could actually play it elsewhere.
By 70 minutes or something Valencia had swung in 20+ crosses I think the commentators said, they weren't terrible crosses but it was either just Welbeck or Hernandez in there and it wasn't working, this is where the issue was.
Plus, at least Fergie is finally realising again that Rafael is our best RB. It's been such a shame that he's hardly played there this season, despite his injuries.
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Man United did really play that badly but there was a lot of fannying around. So many times the ball could go out wide but they chose to go inside, then after a few more sideways passes it would eventually go out wide, where it should have gone in the first place. I know it's about keeping the ball etc, but the plan was to get it out to the wing men, so just get out with it.
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I think in the context of the result it was a great performance, but we aren't used to seeing United have 70% possession and grind teams down by keeping it very simple and making them chase the ball so it's far from proven that this tactic will always pay off. I thought at times our play last night was frighteningly conservative and we seemed incapable of upping the tempo when we needed to. Take the result away and we didn't create nearly enough chances.
Having said that, however, playing like that does give your flair players a platform to do something special when the opposition players tire. Even Barcelona can rely on a bit of magic to open up teams and it's probably fair to say that their goals are evenly derived from either team brilliance or individual brilliance when they meet the best organised defences.
Having said that, however, playing like that does give your flair players a platform to do something special when the opposition players tire. Even Barcelona can rely on a bit of magic to open up teams and it's probably fair to say that their goals are evenly derived from either team brilliance or individual brilliance when they meet the best organised defences.
I think it's a little unfair that it seems only Manchester United are judged by such harsh standards, performance wise.
For example, i've seen a lot of City of late and they have been far worst than our current form but nothing is ever said.
But every year its the same story, despite winning the title most times
For example, i've seen a lot of City of late and they have been far worst than our current form but nothing is ever said.
But every year its the same story, despite winning the title most times
But every year its the same story, despite winning the title most times
that'll be the point
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What i mean is that rooney up front would have given us more width with Young or Giggs on earlier (or from the start) and at least rooney has a chance to take the ball down and turn. hernandez does not have the strength or ability to do this. He isnt going to win any flick ons so that makes it arkward if he is playing up front on his own.
Tom84, your argument is, frankly, poor.
if someone makes an observation about team A, you dont counter that by saying that team B has strength/weakness XYZ.
that is a 'my father would do this,', 'no my father would do THIS' type of situation.
you arent addressing the point, merely deflecting attention away from said point in a futile attempt to turn defence into attack.
You do realsie that cm1179 didnt compare UTD to tottenham, he just spoke about UTD. So trying to compare that against something else is a bit pojntless really, because it was a comparative with UTD of old, not with tottenham...
Fact is we can play some great football. But its like we have become so complacent that we do not. We have to go a goal or two behind beforeour players actually wake up and realise they cant win most EPL games at 80%, the 'just show up' method, where UTD of old would rock up and the opposition woujld capitulate before we even took to the pitch. The average lower teams now have more quality. and the top teams now have less talent than previously.
its a narrowing of the gap between the best and the worst.
You might say, what evidence have you of this? You just have to look around at the stars of old, its not surprising that the best players for the late 90#s and early 00's are still performing well.
Del Piero is still makign the rest of Juve's strikers look paper mache', Scholes still cant be replaced, Giggs is still hugely influential. these players are 35. Hwoever, in their heyday they werent even the best players around! they were top players and are still great, but as time progresses, as athletes get better surely you should have more, fitter, less injury prone giggys swimming around out there. or beckhams. its like the average of everyone has increased, but beyond Messi and Ronaldo, the top players are not as good, or standoutish as they were 10 years ago.
Says he that time and time again measures the club against what Barcelona are capable of to get over his argument. cm1179 didn't have a point to his argument he was looking for me to agree with him that the team play poor football and only win games due to the mental strength of the players something I dont agree with.
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Well that was because we were comparing ourselves to barcelona, i.e we want to be the top club in europe, and as they beat us in 2 cl finals they are the benchmark that we must set, afterall we are the current champions. Clearly Tottenham are aspiring to get into the top 4, so the aspirations and thereforer comparisons should be different for a start.
At the start of the season it was either fergie or someone else who was talking about closing the gap with barca. That is where the comparisons started. Also with other people contrasting achievements of the respective managers, i just added my tuppenth.
At the start of the season it was either fergie or someone else who was talking about closing the gap with barca. That is where the comparisons started. Also with other people contrasting achievements of the respective managers, i just added my tuppenth.