Do you not think those players would get those wages at other clubs?
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Do you not think those players would get those wages at other clubs?
The way you were saying it sounded like they were spineless and gutless every year when Arsenal have won more than Liverpool recently. Arsenal are in the mix frequently, more so than Liverpool, i dont see how you can have a dig at them..
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I wouldn't care if they do, they don't deserve them at Arsenal, if another team wants to waste their money and anger their fans, good for them.
For Walcott, no, I really don't think he would. His scoring record is only as good as it is because he gets to play alongside the likes of Sanchez, in the past Fabregas, etc.
If he'd been shoved out of the club by 20 as he should have been, he'd have gone to a midtable team and maybe never scored more than 10 in a season. He'd be seen as the average player he is and likely no one would be giving him big wages.
Yea, you say that, but if Ozil leaves and Bayern sign him up, everyone and his dog will be after Wengers head. Ozil isn't the problem, we have issues with big game mentality when going 1 down. Greizmann would help
Kroenke, get your wallet out!
Why does other teams issues change Arsenal's? Arsenal have had the same problem for over 10 years. Arsenal haven't not challenged for the major titles because of a lack of quality, it's a lack of spine, bottle and guts that costs them every year.
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It's got nothing to do with going one down, and it has got to do with Ozil.
I watched him a LOT for Real, he was the same there, he's the same for Germany. He wasn't spectacular in the world cup for Germany, he was no where near the best player and he was invisible in more than one game. He frequently went awol for 90% of games for Real and often had terrible performances in the toughest games. he can't take pressure, he's a giant girl and pushes the ball away more often than any player I've ever seen if he thinks a big tackle is coming in.
Today while at a bad point of the game in the second half the ball came to him and without looking around at all he just flicked it up direct to a Chelsea player because he thought the Chelsea player was going to come in and smack into him, rather than win the freekick he gave the ball away, I honestly can't think of another player who does that at all let alone as frequently as Ozil does it.
If he goes to Bayern a lot of fans will complain about it, but in reality he'd make Bayern weaker. It also isn't a good argument because Wenger these days constantly antagonises the fans by telling them their opinion doesn't matter, so what would it matter if they complained about letting him go.
Back in the day he pushed Petit and Overmars out to bring in Pires and Lauren, better players who improved the team. He doesn't care about what the fans say and more importantly, back when he was successful with Arsenal and winning titles, competitive in the CL he'd have pushed out Walcott, AOC, Ozil for not being good enough already.
I added your edit, Griezmann wouldn't help, the quality of players, well it is an issue, but isn't the major issue. Griezmann would be another top player who would be let down by the likes of Walcott, Coquelin and whatever it is that causes constant injuries that Arsenal are getting wrong physio/medical/training facilities wise.
As for Kroenke, one, he'll never ever get his wallet out, two, he doesn't need to. He isn't taking significant money out of the club(a 3mil wage/consultancy fee is nearly meaningless and fairly standard), he leaves it in Arsenal's accounts, Arsenal still have 150+ mil in cash available to spend in the bank, we can spend whenever we want to, Wenger thinks he has the right players, Wenger is wrong.
Look at Spurs, before Poch joined Spurs I was calling on any manager for a few years before that to come in and do what he did for Spurs. He went in, identified all the players with the wrong mentality, who weren't good enough and he got rid of them. The fans loved Sandro(no idea why, never rated him at all), he shoved him out, along with other liked players. He came in without the sentimentality, without having seen a kid come through the ranks or without having spent big money on those players so he had no vested interest. He didn't want a kid to make it or didn't want to be proven wrong because a transfer failed and he just purged who needed purging. Spurs are massively improved for it.
If a manager comes in they'll spend two weeks training with the team before, without sentimentality or wanting to prove a bad buy, purge the team of the same type of players Spurs got rid of and Arsenal will be drastically better for it.
For me Wenger spent 42mil on Ozil and can't admit he's a flop when it comes to big games and was never worth 42mil or a big wage. He wants Ozil to prove he was right rather than cutting his losses and bringing in the next Pires. He wanted to prove Walcott wasn't a mistake at 15mil, same with AOC, over and over. Wenger rather than getting rid of players who he thought he could improve on as with Petit/Overmars, is trying to prove he didn't make mistakes regardless of how clear they were.
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Ok, well..youre creating the issues in my view. I'm disappointed with the loss but i think the over exaggeration to the loss is ridiculous.
Youre pinning the whole loss on Ozil, "bold move Cotton!"
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The reaction is not because of the game in isolation but the fact that history repeats itself year after year.
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Sorry but show me a where I pinned the whole loss on Ozil... didn't say anything at all that sounded like it.
He's PART of the problem, him being terrible in these games is a major problem, but there are a half dozen players who consistently fail to show up in these games. Ozil has however failed to be good enough in the big games in the past 3 years to deserve an outrageously generous contract. He's not a 250k a week player, he's a luxury player who might get a hat-trick against Hull or in the CL against a weak team, but more often than not he'll be invisible against the top 6 which is crucial for us and the very thing that makes you deserving of wages over 120k a week.
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last 10 away games against the top 6, lost 5, drawn 5, won none. This year against the top third of the table we have a single win, that game Chelsea forgot how to play football, we've drawn two against Utd and spurs, we've lost 4. We've still played the joint least against the top third teams.
Yes, that kind of record for a team that is spending in the top 4 teams and has a monumental gap to 5th and 6th highest spending teams, is pathetic. We're 10th in form against the top third of the table and we've played less games than most, which means our true form against the top third is probably 12-13th. That is nothing short of embarrassing, it's certainly ridiculous that a team with a 180mi+ now wage spend is below Burnley, Bournemouth, Spurs, Everton and Watford against the top third of the table, when the highest spending of those has a wage bill around 110-115mil now(Spurs) with the rest being under 100mil, some WAY below 100mil.
Nah, overreaction i think. Who was the guy that had a Wenger out banner at the game, as if bringing that to the game, proper mad
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You stated it has NOTHING to do with Ozil, I said Ozil did have something to do with it, even out of context to your statement, it still doesn't read that he's the entire reason... as evidenced by the lack of any word like entire, all, only or anything similar to that in that quote.
Quite a lot of early goals.
Lukaku after 31 seconds with a lovely finish. Southampton's new guy scored in his first game, Carroll leveled it up. Sunderland away 1 up to Palace... with Alladyce doing quite a bit worse than Pardew. They've also stopped scoring nearly as much under Alladyce without the points of clean sheets to go with it.
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I wouldn't disagree that form against the top 10 hasnt been the best. There's still a long way to go and it can change very quickly. My automatic reaction when Arsenal lose is not to twist the knife though
You did talk at length about Ozil. Maybe i got my wires crossed but i thought you were blaming him for the loss.