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Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [6th - 7th October 2012]
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Thats what I can't really fathom. How all these managers complain bitterly about diving to try and gain an advantage when its quite acceptable to clean a player out if he is going to get a goal scoring opportunity. "He took one for the team" type conduct that is apparently applauded.
Defenders are always doing little things to put attackers off their game, put them off balance or plain straight up stop them. If they really want to stop diving then ban players for it but be prepared for a backlash.
As already said, players will either brace themselves for impacts that may never come and others will take a dive to make sure that they are not planted if a studs up challenge comes in. Also, we should probably take into account that most people have never ever been near the level these boys are and when you are on the edge of balance, it takes very little to push you over the edge. Flying at full speed and clipping someones stud will hurt regardless of how "pussy" the players appear to be.
Ban players for diving, ban them for pulling players back off the ball. In fact, lets just simply run a fine tooth comb over every game and ban both teams because most players do something to pull the wool over the referees eyes.
Most people seem to think Suarez was initially clipped, lost his balance and then tried to fly but failed, I mean the worst thing is if there was contact it was a penalty which he turned into possibly the worst dive I've witnessed from him.
There has always been diving in football. It's not something that's just appeared with all these foreigners in the game. It's just a by product of the game.
That isn't saying it's correct to do, It's not.
To lambast an entire team, and say that it's one of the worst examples of diving and cheating in the game, is utterly hilarious.
Given the recent antics in the El Classico matches, last night was a brilliant refreshing reminder of how bloody good football can be, you expect diving and cheating and instead you're presented with a wonderful game of football. Even Biscuits managed to stay on his feet for the entire game.
There is diving in almost every match, again, not an excuse, players should rightly be highlighted when they've done it regardless of the circumstances.
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I don't think retroactively punishing players is the way to go. We need higher standards of refereeing across the board. Referee's need to be better, they need the confidence to be more pro active in their decision making and giving out cards.
I really, really hate the line 'well he's ruined the game sending X off' No, the player ruined the game by making a stupid tackle the referee was literally following the rules.
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I don't see why we can't have retroactive action decided by a panel.
Meh. I'd rather the FA spend time and money training and retraining referee's to a better standard rather then having a panel post game to sort out the referee's mistakes.
Referee's need to be the best they can be, the current standard / levels just aren't good enough.
Referee's need to be the best they can be, the current standard / levels just aren't good enough.
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Re Kagawa
The jury is not yet decided, however...
He looked good early on, he made the rest of our team seem a bit behind the play. I now suspect this was due to fitness, he seemed to be fitter than the rest at the start and so lead on this.
Now however the rest of the players have caught up and he looks...Okay...not great, or spectacular, but decent. Earlier in the season i wrote that infact Kagawa looks like an also ran in the race for Eden Hazard and this seems to be coming true now.
Hazard has more drive, more skill, more pace, better finishing, more potential and is a better player. Kagawa can do a job, and isnt bad for 12 million.
But its not about budgets, its about getting the best 11 players in that you can do and being able to field them in a system that works.
If i had to pick just 11 players i would pick hazard over kagawa in an attacking midfield birth. Infact id probably pick (dont) Hate me Ben Arfa.
The jury is not yet decided, however...
He looked good early on, he made the rest of our team seem a bit behind the play. I now suspect this was due to fitness, he seemed to be fitter than the rest at the start and so lead on this.
Now however the rest of the players have caught up and he looks...Okay...not great, or spectacular, but decent. Earlier in the season i wrote that infact Kagawa looks like an also ran in the race for Eden Hazard and this seems to be coming true now.
Hazard has more drive, more skill, more pace, better finishing, more potential and is a better player. Kagawa can do a job, and isnt bad for 12 million.
But its not about budgets, its about getting the best 11 players in that you can do and being able to field them in a system that works.
If i had to pick just 11 players i would pick hazard over kagawa in an attacking midfield birth. Infact id probably pick (dont) Hate me Ben Arfa.
Indeed its human nature, not until Stroke City players start playing the ball instead of players legs a brush they have painted themselves with i wouldn't blame any one who falls down before he is even touched because Suarez or any other player for that matter is not a robot he knows a nasty tackle is as near to him as is a Stoke player like Huth
laughs at even comparing what Huth did (which probably didnt even leave a mark on the player's chest), compared to a leg break which would keep the player out for months
How ridiculous
Suarez had stud marks on his chest post stamp. Saw it several times on Match of the Day last night. Don't let that stop you Frank.
Stoke players are very physical, overly physical. It's not great surprise that players get serious injuries playing against them.
Purdy wasn't comparing the two either, it read to me that he was saying that with people accepting that Stoke are physical is almost confirming that it's 'ok' to be physical, so alas, how long until there are more serious injuries as a result of Stoke's overly physical nature.
Stoke players are very physical, overly physical. It's not great surprise that players get serious injuries playing against them.
Purdy wasn't comparing the two either, it read to me that he was saying that with people accepting that Stoke are physical is almost confirming that it's 'ok' to be physical, so alas, how long until there are more serious injuries as a result of Stoke's overly physical nature.
I also found it interesting that (I think Tiote) stamped on Cleverley's ankle yesterday and no one seems remotely bothered about this
The FA said that they will not punish any of the players; Tiote, Huth or Robin Van Persie.
So, clearly people were bothered about that tackle. It was a very poor tackle and I was a bit surprised that he wasn't at the very least given a yellow card.
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Has anyone got a replay of the RvP and Tiote one's? I didn't see the Tiote one when watching and the only thing you could see from the RvP replay (granted fairly far away) was Cabaye trying to block him off, a coming together and then him going down.
The FA hide behind their own rules. Both Huth and Tiote have been let off because at least one of the officials saw the incident at the time but didn't think the challenges were worth any punishment, therefore the FA claim they can't overrule the officials.
Re RvP's elbow, none of the officials saw it at the time but Webb's supposedly saying that having watched the video, he wouldn't have sent RvP off. I'm not sure I like the fact that refs can effectively review their own decisions :/
They've been showing them on SSN. Tiote's gone into a challenge with Cleverly and stamped on his leg and when they zoom in on the RvP challenge, he clearly hits out at Cabaye.
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