Greenlizard0 Weekend Football Thread ** spoilers ** [7th - 11th February 2015]

I am lost as to why I am engaging in a discussion with you, waste of my time. In another thread you are asking if I am having difficulty in understanding. So my question to you now, are you have difficulty in understand what I would put as a squad?

My midfield would consist on Blind, Herrera, Valencia and Mata. Do with that what you want. Blimey.

Maybe my positioning of Blind and Herrera would be a bit off. So simply swap them around. LW would be Blind and CDM Herrera.

There we made it :)
 
So you're playing a defensive player (who has played his entire career in a defending position) on the wing, and a creative midfielder on his own in midfield?

It is a terrible idea, terrible squad.
 
Man you don't half go on.

Yet Van Gaal is playing Valencia at RB. Where do you get this playing in midfield on his own from. It would be more a 4-3-1-2. Sorry it clearly isn't your out dated 4-4-2. Blind clearly has some shot on him and has a good left foot.
 
Why not, get him running up and down the wing, defending when required and giving us width. Whipping the ball in the box and letting the strikers attack. Both Rooney and Van Persie are good with there heads.

We need a different dynamic and perhaps given some players with good work ethics a chance to use that and give us another angle of attack then what is the harm in that?
 
Swagger187 said:
Man you don't half go on.

Yet Van Gaal is playing Valencia at RB. Where do you get this playing in midfield on his own from. It would be more a 4-3-1-2. Sorry it clearly isn't your out dated 4-4-2. Blind clearly has some shot on him and has a good left foot.
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Valencia is poor at right back too. He's a poor winger.

How is it the formation you have mentioned? You're suggesting Manchester United play the back four, one central midfielder, two wingers a player behind the front two. That is not 4-3-1-2.

I have no idea why you have mentioned four four two, I have not mentioned four four two :confused:.

Swagger187 said:
Why not, get him running up and down the wing, defending when required and giving us width. Whipping the ball in the box and letting the strikers attack. Both Rooney and Van Persie are good with there heads.

We need a different dynamic and perhaps given some players with good work ethics a chance to use that and give us another angle of attack then what is the harm in that?
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Blind is a slow player, he does not possess great speed or acceleration, he cannot beat a man with creativity or flair consistently either. He is a defensive player. I literally cannot fathom how daft your set up is.

Van Persie and Rooney are slow too, and their movement this season has been static and poor (that is when Rooney has actually been deployed as a forward) so why would putting a defensive player out on the wing suddenly spark a revival in their form and the sides?

Utterly woeful. How can any side expect to compete for a top four finish with no midfield to speak of, besides a creative player playing somewhere in the middle, where is the help for the defence where is the pressing in midfield?
 
How do Chelsea always get slightly nicer draws than spurs. We play them on the weekend and they play on Wednesday while we have to go to Liverpool on Tuesday.

Their cl draw is a joke for the Carling cup final as well. We play ropey dopey league on the Thursday before the final. Chelsea play their cl fixture the following week.

Infuriating.
 
Tummy said:
Valencia is poor at right back too. He's a poor winger.

How is it the formation you have mentioned? You're suggesting Manchester United play the back four, one central midfielder, two wingers a player behind the front two. That is not 4-3-1-2.

I have no idea why you have mentioned four four two, I have not mentioned four four two :confused:.



Blind is a slow player, he does not possess great speed or acceleration, he cannot beat a man with creativity or flair consistently either. He is a defensive player. I literally cannot fathom how daft your set up is.

Van Persie and Rooney are slow too, and their movement this season has been static and poor (that is when Rooney has actually been deployed as a forward) so why would putting a defensive player out on the wing suddenly spark a revival in their form and the sides?

Utterly woeful. How can any side expect to compete for a top four finish with no midfield to speak of, besides a creative player playing somewhere in the middle, where is the help for the defence where is the pressing in midfield?
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Ok mate you win. I am bored of trying to explain a slightly different set up for a team to you and don't even need too, actually I am just bored of you ;)
 
I'm sorry. Valencia cannot "whip the ball into the box", he's terrible. Whenever he gets the ball in the opposing third he does nothing with it, best case scenario he hits the first man. He does at least work hard defending at RB and usually does a decent job, but he sees a lot of the ball and always makes a hash of it.

But, we do need a new formation and we do need to start mixing up the team selections a bit. You can't just play all your creative players and expect them to carve open defences time after time, it doesn't work like that. The balance is all wrong in midfield and attack.

While it seems we have no direction, and it is very bad, obviously we're meant to be playing a patient game of possession football. This is easily stopped when you get pressed, UNLESS you have players who are incredible on the ball, like Scholes, Xavi, etc. We don't really have any of those, maybe Herrera but I've not seen enough of him to judge. If it worked, then it would probably look a lot better, but it doesn't. To make matters worse, you have to have strikers with a lot of movement who can move defenders around and open up the space, this isn't happening either.

LvG's 'usual' system is 4-3-3.

A back four, a holding midfielder (who can pass), a box to box type of midfielder and a creative midfielder. Then he has two wide players and a central striker. He hasn't even tried to field this sort of team yet, even though we could fill a few of the positions quite well.

The problem is being created by RvP and Falcao, he wants to ideally play them both, despite the fact that they don't really work as a partnership (so far anyway). This sort of system also means Mata would be playing a bit more withdrawn, where he doesn't seem to be that well suited. Maybe he can adapt and fill the creative midfield role.

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Where do you put everyone in the above? We'll end up with 'star names' on the bench, not that I think it matters, and I do think that's what is causing issues. We need to start again, we've got a solid enough defence now with 4 players, so have to look ahead of them and ensure Blind is the 'shield', as that seems to work well.
 
Swagger187 said:
Ok mate you win. I am bored of trying to explain a slightly different set up for a team to you and don't even need too, actually I am just bored of you ;)
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If by 'slightly different' you mean 'crazy, mental, stupid set up' then yes, you are correct in that you should stop trying to explain it.

For what it is worth, in my opinion, United should either play a slightly varied four, three, three or a four, two, three, one :). None of which involve Valencia, let alone Blind playing on the wing.
 
Robbo said:
I'm sorry. Valencia cannot "whip the ball into the box", he's terrible. Whenever he gets the ball in the opposing third he does nothing with it, best case scenario he hits the first man. He does at least work hard defending at RB and usually does a decent job, but he sees a lot of the ball and always makes a hash of it.
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Valencia is terrible and in my opinion should be moved on.

Robbo said:
But, we do need a new formation and we do need to start mixing up the team selections a bit. You can't just play all your creative players and expect them to carve open defences time after time, it doesn't work like that. The balance is all wrong in midfield and attack.
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The system that Van Gaal has been using, has not been working. For a number of reasons.

Robbo said:
While it seems we have no direction, and it is very bad, obviously we're meant to be playing a patient game of possession football. This is easily stopped when you get pressed, UNLESS you have players who are incredible on the ball, like Scholes, Xavi, etc. We don't really have any of those, maybe Herrera but I've not seen enough of him to judge. If it worked, then it would probably look a lot better, but it doesn't. To make matters worse, you have to have strikers with a lot of movement who can move defenders around and open up the space, this isn't happening either.
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I do not think it is beyond the realm of possibility that Blind, Carrick and Herrera are capable of maintaining the ball between themselves. I certainly agree that when compared to other midfields of current European sides that the United midfield lacks.

Robbo said:
LvG's 'usual' system is 4-3-3.

A back four, a holding midfielder (who can pass), a box to box type of midfielder and a creative midfielder. Then he has two wide players and a central striker. He hasn't even tried to field this sort of team yet, even though we could fill a few of the positions quite well.

The problem is being created by RvP and Falcao, he wants to ideally play them both, despite the fact that they don't really work as a partnership (so far anyway). This sort of system also means Mata would be playing a bit more withdrawn, where he doesn't seem to be that well suited. Maybe he can adapt and fill the creative midfield role.

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I sort of agree, however Van Gaal has used different styles at previous clubs.

I think one of the big problems for Manchester United at the minute is the forwards, who are terrible. Rooney, Falcao, Van Persie have all shown nothing approaching the 'World Class' status.

They are slow, pedestrian, static, unimaginative and look like they are all considerably past it. There is certainly an element of having little to no creative play, quality crossing or support though.

Robbo said:
Where do you put everyone in the above? We'll end up with 'star names' on the bench, not that I think it matters, and I do think that's what is causing issues. We need to start again, we've got a solid enough defence now with 4 players, so have to look ahead of them and ensure Blind is the 'shield', as that seems to work well.
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I think Shaw, Evans, Rojo, Rafael is a competitive back four. I maintain there is room for improvement however.

The midfield is poor. The wide positions are none existent. The forwards are poor. There is hope in Di Maria, Herrera, Blind... and a couple of others.
 
i had another mate who got cheated on by his wife and did not bat an eye lid. so i know someone with anger issues and someone who does not get angry ever..
 
Falcao, RvP & Wilson aren't ever going to work in any combination. Stick one of them with Rooney (who when he's up front doesn't really stay there, drops back anyway) and regain the slot in midfield, where you can either put in Herrera / Mata.

Or in that formation from Robbo above stick Wayne out on the left, any of the donkeys in the middle & Mata next to Herrera and just sack defence off. Infact actually just play Januzaj out on the left wing and stick with Wayne as the striker, and then Mata or Fellaini in the other slot.

Trying to play Rooney + 2 other strikers is just mental. Not quite as some of the mental these past two pages, but mental nevertheless.

Nani oh Nani where art thou?
 
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