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I'm pink. I like to think I am some kind of colour at least. And if black is a colour so is white. I am offended.
Greg Clarke "Filthy Racist" Resigns
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To quote several of my British Indian mates when it's been mentioned: "I'm not ******* BAME."
It's a stupid, reductive term.
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Why do these people 'resign' so easily - kind of weak if you ask me....
This ******* world, hey?
Guy has been doing great in his job, he unfortunately uses tangentially related outdated terms and expresses controversial opinion appropriate to his age and suddenly "his job was hanging by a thread already" and "he's too out of touch to do his job" or even "he's racist!".
I understand he's in a prominent position, however he should not have resigned as there was no malice or negative intent and there was nothing which could not be corrected by a 2 minute chat or "re-education".
This toxic public-hanging culture is illogical and inappropriate - it is a detriment to our civilised progress and shouldn't be pandered to anymore.
What's our Lord and Saviour Mr Lawrence Fox's stance?
Guy has been doing great in his job, he unfortunately uses tangentially related outdated terms and expresses controversial opinion appropriate to his age and suddenly "his job was hanging by a thread already" and "he's too out of touch to do his job" or even "he's racist!".
I understand he's in a prominent position, however he should not have resigned as there was no malice or negative intent and there was nothing which could not be corrected by a 2 minute chat or "re-education".
This toxic public-hanging culture is illogical and inappropriate - it is a detriment to our civilised progress and shouldn't be pandered to anymore.
What's our Lord and Saviour Mr Lawrence Fox's stance?
We will spend an age defining exactly what we identify anyone that isn't white as, whilst also acknowledging their lack of privilege due to that. Then, we will no doubt have the vocal few demanding that it is awfully racist that we identify people by their colour and that we shouldn't actually "see" colour. We'll revert to my generation of upbringing, not seeing people as their colour, reading poems in English Lit about it, not assuming they are disadvantaged, etc.
Then I'm sure we'll come full circle again and have to identify everyone again. And so the joy continues.
Racism won't disappear until the man made construct of race disappears. Race isn't a thing, we created it to put people in to boxes. We could just identify "human", but no. Wait until the world is populated by the same blend of mixed race brown in a few millenia, then we won't have any problems on race.
I don't think a knee jerk reaction of putting a black person in to replace will do anything more than appease public perception. It's not guaranteed to address race issues and it certainly doesn't guarantee that more black people in football are represented in the higher echelons in the FA in future. Our societal views on addressing these issues need to be much more developed than "stick a black guy in."
Furthermore, I ask the question, is racism in English football really that bad any more?
Furthermore, I ask the question, is racism in English football really that bad any more?
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there's probably a fair amount of truth to the claim that 'women don't like a ball being kicked at them' , certainly less so than men
Usually they have little choice. Often if they don't resign then they will be sacked for something like gross misconduct and lose accrued benefits (pension, bonus, share options, etc). By resigning they can come to an agreement with the employer to keep those benefits. The employer benefits because they avoid a possible unfair dismissal claim and both parties agree not comment publicly on the matter. I used the term "sacked" earlier and was naively corrected by someone to tell me he resigned. I don't know whether he had such pressure to resign, but it's quite common.
The FA will be criticised either way. If they put a black person in the job then they will be accused of just filling the position with someone to tick a box. If they don't put a black person in the role then they will be accused of missing a great opportunity to do so. It will be interesting to see what they do.
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I can only imagine how “white man bad” the Apple respect & diversity training is now. When I last clicked through it, some poor bloke was nearly crucified for asking the same female co-worker out for a drink twice.
I think the really quite massive problem are his statements about his IT department. Why wouldn't he view them simply as British? His language unfortunately infers an unintended prejudice in how he groups and categorises people.
He is by no means unique in his age group but he is meant to be leading a huge progression in the FA and these snippets show that there are some blindspots that could limit his ability to do this.
He is by no means unique in his age group but he is meant to be leading a huge progression in the FA and these snippets show that there are some blindspots that could limit his ability to do this.
How do you know they are British? They could all be Indian.
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The reference to the call centre staff had nothing to do with whether they were British, it was his view that South Asians "have different career interests". As if it's an inherent characteristic of a South Asian person.
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Just listen to yourself, the state this country is in is pathetic. I still use the term, and the only time it's received negativity is, of course, in here
Sure. And I suppose you keep one in your back garden, just in case the liberals try and take over. ******* Shropshire.
I'm sorry but do you know what the curriculum and education system in India has been geared towards for the past 40 years?
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I'm sorry but do you know what the curriculum and education system in India has been geared towards for the past 40 years?
Our Indian office is responsible for the bulk of our engineering now, so I'm pretty sure the entire population isn't aspiring to work in a call centre.
And my office in the UK for Santander was 1/3 English, 1/3 Spanish and guess what... 1/3 contractors from India. Where in the western world currently are people being taught Mainframe zos? It's extremely common still in India.
Call centre is not IT
