Greta Thunberg

Em3bbs said:
So basically we were nowhere near an environmental tipping point and a few weeks of staying indoors fixed everything?
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Well thankfully the reduction in activity will push any climate instability further into the future, but the fundamentals are practically unchanged as increasing global industrialisation and demands of increasingly prosperous nations will continue regardless. In comparing with the current crisis, the fact that a solid majority in the UK was unconcerned with the virus in January and even February was frankly ridiculous considering the evidence available at the time, just as it is ridiculous denying the changes to the climate we can see occurring right now is of little-to-no concern to some who wish to be au contraire.

It's a good thing the changes have been slow (lethargic even), but no-one should assume it will always be that way and considering the maligned response to the pandemic, to learn nothing about the benefits of preventative measures and damage mitigation would be rather depressing as well as being extremely costly in terms of disaster relief.
 
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Em3bbs said:
So basically we were nowhere near an environmental tipping point and a few weeks of staying indoors fixed everything?
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No, but I've always thought it makes more sense this way.
We're all working as hard as possible as fast as possible to reach and ever moving ceiling.
I can't work 3 days a weeks because all good paying jobs don't want that, but if it was more common I probably would, it kinda requires everyone to do it though.

If I can provide myself the basic in as short a time as possible and then enjoy the world more without polluting. Then there wouldn't be as much need for fuels, electricity, junk, travel.
Obviously some of these things are only sustainable at low cost when they are mass produced, and if we don't work @ 100% we can't have them..
It's swings and round abouts. We all slow down and give up some luxuries or we all go back to the way thing are normally
 
Caracus2k said:
You are clearly not a particularly great fan as she very much did 'come out with that' as the lead author billed on a piece originally produced for Project syndicate titled 'we will stike again'. (which is paywalled) but reproduced in full here.

As has long be known large swathes of environmental activism really just serve as the thinnest of venners for the repeatedly failed ideology of socialism complete with the demands for 'radical' 'systemic' change.



Told you whay exactly? As damaging to long term human welfare and as unsustainable as you may think our previous economies were the current situation is clearly less sustainable and more likely to cause far more immediate damage to human welfare.
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SexyGreyFox said:
She's sitting back saying "I told you".
For starters all my asthma sufferer friends are puffing less and I've never heard birds singing like they are now.
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It's a plecebo. It's would take years for pollution levels to actually decline enough to notice. Except in places like India and China where they get a lot of smog and that's immediately noticeable.
 
VincentHanna said:
A placebo? NO2 Pollution has dropped by 60% in some parts of the UK:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52202974
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He said when the lockdown ends people should be asking themselves "if it's essential for us to drive or if we could walk instead".
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Problem with that is a lot of people are at the whims of employers, or the necessities or realities of modern life for many it isn't a choice they can make at a personal level without society at large cooperating.
 
Rroff said:
Problem with that is a lot of people are at the whims of employers, or the necessities or realities of modern life for many it isn't a choice they can make at a personal level without society at large cooperating.
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The weird thing is that five members out of our team of eight are working at home with no detriment to their jobs which would save 4 of them commutes of around 40 miles each way. I'm on an electric bike so I don't count much.
In the wider department nine out of ten of them are working from home and perhaps just need to come in once a week.
Perhaps things will change after this for some people, I hope it does for me.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The weird thing is that five members out of our team of eight are working at home with no detriment to their jobs which would save 4 of them commutes of around 40 miles each way. I'm on an electric bike so I don't count much.
In the wider department nine out of ten of them are working from home and perhaps just need to come in once a week.
Perhaps things will change after this for some people, I hope it does for me.
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I wonder this, in future may offices be smaller, composed of a meeting room, with a few work stations for when people are physically present.
They could be located anywhere, and commutes happen less frequently.
 
Destination said:
I wonder this, in future may offices be smaller, composed of a meeting room, with a few work stations for when people are physically present.
They could be located anywhere, and commutes happen less frequently.
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One of my previous company (international engineering consultancy) is doing just that. All engineers have a locker, and access to workstations, which they have to book in advance of a particualr day they will be in. Workstations may not be personalised, or work left overnight. It's allowing them to grow without needing for physical space, by encouraging working from home where possible. Not sure about support staff though; suspect they still have permanent offices/desks.

I can see myself working home a couple of days of work easily if my work permits it.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The weird thing is that five members out of our team of eight are working at home with no detriment to their jobs which would save 4 of them commutes of around 40 miles each way. I'm on an electric bike so I don't count much.
In the wider department nine out of ten of them are working from home and perhaps just need to come in once a week.
Perhaps things will change after this for some people, I hope it does for me.
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Same here. I would happily work from home more to save time, money and polution. It doesn't actually matter where I work. Even when I go into the office then almost everyone else in my team is in another part of the UK, India, New York or Mexico. It makes no difference whether I'm at home or in the office.

omnomnom said:
The amount of people wanting to gun down a child for raising awareness about climate change in this thread is a real eye opener. Have a word.
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By "gun down" do you mean "are tired of her and us being manipulated"?
 
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