Greta Thunberg

4K8KW10 said:
If the white smiling dog is a symbol of a green sustainable future, while the dark serious dog a symbol of the bad qualities in humans, business interests, money profit interests, fossil fuel industry, coal, oil, gas, which do you think is the nicer dog?
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The one mauling her...
 
that's low hanging fruit - the environmental hit of pets - enormous
I thought they were also 20-30% of meat production(edit: them eating it) ...but can't see that data

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4K8KW10 said:
If the white smiling dog is a symbol of a green sustainable future, while the dark serious dog a symbol of the bad qualities in humans, business interests, money profit interests, fossil fuel industry, coal, oil, gas, which do you think is the nicer dog?

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The two dogs in foreground look nice, not too keen on the one in the background.
 
4K8KW10 said:
There are only 40-45 years left for the oil industry, after which the world oil reserves will be depleted...
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Slightly OT, but that figure, which is still debatable if i'm right, is proven reserves isn't it and doesn't include untapped (existing or new) oil fields?

* Not that i'm saying we should carry on burning fossil fuels before anyone pipes up.....

4K8KW10 said:
...the dark serious dog...
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You know you can say black when it's a black dog? :p
 
4K8KW10 said:
If the white smiling dog is a symbol of a green sustainable future, while the dark serious dog a symbol of the bad qualities in humans, business interests, money profit interests, fossil fuel industry, coal, oil, gas, which do you think is the nicer dog?

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That's racist.
 
I'd worry more about the ones who idolise her, possibly they want to "have relations" with her (i know your being sarcastic due to a few here) ;)

Since the word go I have not liked her.
 
I can appreciate her points and her issues. It's going to do diddly squat until she rocks up in China and tells them what's what. That will be the end of her. Permanently.

Even then it is a case of the Earth won't be destroyed - just humanity. And judging by the complete lack of respect we have had for anything for thousands of years, that's a good thing! At least with us gone the planet can create life again.

2000 years ago we didn't even know a wheel. 500 years ago we didn't know any vehicles. 200 years ago we didn't know how to get to the moon. 50 years ago we didn't realise all of this was going to result in our demise.

Tomorrow will be a new challenge and a new problem when we discover something new - like cancer mutating and becoming impossible to cure and spreading like the plague....

That's my look at this completely devoid of any emotion.
 
She'll be dropped like a sack of spuds now that the climate talks have failed for another year, she'll probably surface again preaching imminent doom around the same time next year.
 
Why do so many grown men have a problem with a 16 year old child?
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I guess we're balanced by the teenage boy/girl contributions.

b00merang69 said:
Since the word go I have not liked her.
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it's predominately the vitriolic presentation style ... carrots are more productive than sticks , ands some charysma goes a long way, or,
maybe that quality disappeared with social media generation, post Blair, Obama?, and folks have no role models.
 
4K8KW10 said:
It's very weird that Greta is so young, just 16. There must be people around her, who are significantly older, to take the responsibility on their shoulders. Why would anyone throw a kid against the dangerous sharks in the fossil fuel industry?
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Her age is crucial. You talk of responsibility. That's part of the point. Someone older would have responsibility. She has none. Another part of the point is that her age is a very powerful weapon, as is her sex. Anything less than adulation can be villified and ridiculed as "old males" (i.e. scum) being nasty poopy-head scaredy-cats. This thread is littered with examples of that, as is everywhere else. A person who was older and/or male wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful a weapon.

She isn't a kid. She's treated as having the rights of an adult (and vastly more power than almost all adults) and the responsibilities of a child, but she isn't a child. She's already past some legal ages of majority and is close to the full legal age of majority. She's 16, not 6.

And why isn't there another elite group who would like to help to destroy the polluters once and for all?
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Because they have some degree of responsibility and so can't advocate the destruction of civilisation while claiming credit for other people's efforts and being THE MESSIAH. Although I'm sure some of them would like the last part. Many of those elites are busy trying to find solutions rather than just having tantrums.
 
Angilion said:
Her age is crucial. You talk of responsibility. That's part of the point. Someone older would have responsibility. She has none. Another part of the point is that her age is a very powerful weapon, as is her sex. Anything less than adulation can be villified and ridiculed as "old males" (i.e. scum) being nasty poopy-head scaredy-cats. This thread is littered with examples of that, as is everywhere else. A person who was older and/or male wouldn't be anywhere near as powerful a weapon.

She isn't a kid. She's treated as having the rights of an adult (and vastly more power than almost all adults) and the responsibilities of a child, but she isn't a child. She's already past some legal ages of majority and is close to the full legal age of majority. She's 16, not 6.



Because they have some degree of responsibility and so can't advocate the destruction of civilisation while claiming credit for other people's efforts and being THE MESSIAH. Although I'm sure some of them would like the last part. Many of those elites are busy trying to find solutions rather than just having tantrums.
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This is an extremely interesting point of view. But......

How do you explain that the internal combustion engines had been first patented in the ancient 1794 year and we are still using them with no outlook to find something to replace them?
I mean we are going to explore at the very least the Solar system, how with this primitive speed of travel that we exploit?

The solution is to get rid of the chemical reactions for propel systems.

And if we have electric vehicles production technology, why is there so strong lobby to bankrupt Tesla and not allow the German manufacturers begin production en masse?


You probably can not imagine what kind of technologies there are hidden and not allowed to see the day of the light.... for political reasons.

But the human race can not for ever be exploited as slaves.
 
Sheff said:
Are you talking about Trump, Boris, Farage or Corbyn here?
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Them too, but there's an important difference - they're somewhat accountable and are required to accept some degree of responsibility. They have to win elections to gain serious power and they have to do something useful to keep it. The ones who do win power only do so because their opponents are worse.

The "cult of personality" IS politics these days, to vociferously pile on someone who is at least relying upon evidence to make her case (albeit by being a bit shouty) by so many posters here does strike me as blinkered at best.
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She has worse tantrums than Donald Trump and she's far less accountable than him. She does nothing useful and she'll get the credit for the work done by people who are doing something useful. She's a weapon to suppress anything less than complete obedience. It's a very dangerous precedent.

4K8KW10 said:
There are only 40-45 years left for the oil industry, after which the world oil reserves will be depleted for many millions of years.
What are they going to laugh at then?
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So it'll be the "green energy" industry laughing, if society still exists. No significant difference. In some cases, it'll be the same company.
 
4K8KW10 said:
There are only 40-45 years left for the oil industry, after which the world oil reserves will be depleted for many millions of years.
What are they going to laugh at then?
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Well, yes and no

There are individual fields that at current extraction rates have life expectancies measured in centuries.

Decades ago I predicted in conversation that;

#1 There will still be oil production in 500 years time

#2 Oil price will not sustain at much over $100Bbl

#1 is due to the above,

#2 is due down to the fact that we don't use oil as such, we use stuff that is made from oil. At upwards of $100bbl it becomes economic to make that stuff from something other than oil.

(Added to which, "Reserves" have always only been 30 years or so since there is no point in spending more on prospecting further ahead than that)

So far, I seem to be on course
 
Angilion said:
So it'll be the "green energy" industry laughing, if society still exists. No significant difference. In some cases, it'll be the same company.
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Huh, these industries are not part of the society, where will they go? If so, who are they, then?

Orionaut said:
Well, yes and no

There are individual fields that at current extraction rates have life expectancies measured in centuries.

Decades ago I predicted in conversation that;

#1 There will still be oil production in 500 years time
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Impossible, if there are individual large fields, once the others are depleted, the extraction will move to the first and they will be depleted very fast.
 
4K8KW10 said:
[..] You probably can not imagine what kind of technologies there are hidden and not allowed to see the day of the light.... for political reasons.

But the human race can not for ever be exploited as slaves.
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I'm sure we'll overthrow our alien lizard overlords eventually. Perhaps Flash Gordon can save us (he saved every one of us!) or something. Hmm...is Ming the Merciless the one running this conspiracy?
 
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