Group of 7 on WoW looking for more rerollers

[Sawell]

That's incredibly rich coming from you. Best of luck in your "world class raiding guild", if it is world class, you'll be kicked part way through your first raid.

I don't really care about it, its a free for all loot fest now, as most people are aware.

I thought your incredibly childish behaviour and potent favouritism was really quite pathetic

There isn't really a lack of talented players on Karazhan, they would just NEVER wear your guildtag.

Please stop harassing me, I really don't care what your opinion is on anything, which was made pretty clear the last two stalker-esq moments you tried to bait me.

By all means go and lecture someone else on how bad they are at World of Warcraft whilst you furiously **** over your keyboard at your own self supremacy.

I'll call you when I care.

 

[Sawell]

What makes me a stalker exactly? Informing you that you are not a good player and then saying im not surprised your guild disbanded after your stupid and clueless behaviour makes me a stalker?

 

[Sawell]

So you are trying to make a point in that Holy Paladin takes skill? There are so many things that can factor into logs they don't really mean a huge deal.

I don't think there's a great deal of point to this discussion continuing, average players aside.

The attitude that you ran the guild with was really quite ridiculous, A LOT of people thought this not only myself. You caused a lot of people to waste money transferring and then left them out of various things.

Best of luck in your new guild though as I said, I can see you think that PvE is extremely hard and that you like to flaunt where you can about your wonderful accomplishments

Your whole argument is fundamentally flawed because The Unit wasn't nor did it ever pretend to be a hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding guild. It was a social levelling guild whereby an interest of raiding was formed, and we created a social/casual raiding aspect off the back of that.

My 'attitude' was that of a social/casual raiding guild leader. As far as I was concerned people logged in to take a load off their stressful day, to unwind and relax and enjoy a bit of banter with people and raid when possible. WoW is at a most fundamental level a source of entertainment, and entertainment is not always derived from striving to be the best or working flat out into your leisure time to achieve an online goal. Which is where your entire philosophy fell apart and continues to fall apart with every stupid word that comes out of your keyboard.

Furthermore the assumptions you've made in your last post (Holy Paladins are easy, Manflu thinks holy paladins are easy, we think PvE is hard) is hilarious. You're actually deluded. You can't just pull arguments out of your ass and hand them into a logical debate. If you want to argue a point then base it on fact or at least some form of tangible evidence. Throwing assumptions based on your narrow-minded and thick view of reality doesn't bode well for constructing any kind of case you have against myself or the guild I led.

If you want to make a point, then make one. Make a guild and get it as far or further than I did. Don't just sit there bitching about someone who actually went ahead and did it. Make a Holy Paladin and get ranked first on healing, don't just sit there and bitch about how easy it probably is in your sort-of opinion probably.

You're probably one of the worst excuses for an elitist i've ever met. Most elitists are actually good at what they do and earn the title and then flaunt it. You weren't a good player, you're not currently a good player, you barely raid, you haven't even experienced half the crap you harp on about and you generally just seem to get some form of strange excitement from tracking down a GM who's guild you were in 2 months ago and giving him grief because you didn't like the fact his guild wasn't a hardcore raiding guild and you couldn't shout at his members and insult them. Heaven forbid that there are actually MMORPGers that play it for fun and not to be barked at. I don't mind, I like the competition element and that's why I am joining a hardcore raiding guild again, but The Unit wasn't ever that. Perhaps in future you'll read about a guild before joining them.

Perhaps that's why Justifiably Arrogant failed, because you can't justify arrogance without cause. And that's what you lack, you're a **** load of chat without anything behind it. I'm obviously going to defend what I created and what I managed, at the moment you're sat on a weekend arguing with some guy you met 2 months ago about a guild you supposedly don't care about regarding a GM who you think is an idiot that can't play World of Warcraft or lead a World of Warcraft guild. Have you actually stopped and thought about the idiocy that is yourself? Have you considered the fact that you've become so self-absorbed in your own stinking aura that you've reached a point in your life where you have to justify your own personal insecurities by vomiting them up on others online? I pity you, genuinely I do.

I'm sorry that you felt excluded from our community. I wish you had fit in. I wish that you could have treated others with respect and not belittled or demoralised people because of a format in the way they spend their free time. But you didn't, and regardless or not the fact it's obviously a sore subject for you doesn't detract from the fact that it's already happened, the past is gone and 'defacing' my name as a Guild Leader is going to achieve nothing. In case you haven't noticed, I'm not a GM any more.

Now please, take heed. I can write all day, I do it for a living. Dismiss or read my wall of text and jog on.

 

[Sawell]

I certainly don't want to waste my time arguing with you

Fantastic. Thanks.

Crock of **** tbh, I cannot recall any of you being "social" at all getting guildchat going was like getting blood out of a stone.

.... right, sure.

 

[Sawell]

"Your whole argument is fundamentally flawed because The Unit wasn't nor did it ever pretend to be a hardcore/semi-hardcore raiding guild. It was a social levelling guild whereby an interest of raiding was formed, and we created a social/casual raiding aspect off the back of that."

Thats how it started Graham but you actively saught to expand the raiding team to 25 man after the first "half guild" icc 25 run so its not strictly true over the course of the guilds lifetime.

Theres bound to be a lot of hate thrown around due to it disbanding as people paid RL money to join the community to then have it disappear lol.

Yeah, I paid money too. That's generally what you do when you transfer servers. If you want money security open a bank account and don't spend it. I'm not responsible for what you or anyone else decides to do with their money. Many of us got a lot out of it, you didn't because you didn't get your armour pen trinket and it'd mean the DK who did get it was sure to do more DPS than you. If I had the world's smallest violin I'd play it for you. **** happens, our loot rules changed and adapted and we all got on with it. You wasted money. Patience would have got you the trinket next week, but it was much easier for you to spend another £35 odd on faction changing then realm changing.

 

[Sawell]

You might want to drop the hostility the next time you speak to me as I amazingly didn't use the same "tone" with you lol.

Why might I want to do that? I don't really have time for people like you, you moaned and moaned at me non stop and I listened, put in place the changes you asked for and you threw your toys out and quit before the next raid even took place. You're a quitter. My tone reflects my general feeling towards you.

I didn't mind spending the money at all, others did though and didn't get much out of the experience due to YOUR doing.

What a stupid statement. Do you want to call up Mr T and have a go at him while you're at it for re-activating your sub? Jesus.

I've quit the game so I'm really not ***** what you do from now on in anyway but when you try use incorrect information to win an argument you will get "OcUK'd"

No, no I won't. Don't get all tangled up in your post count now.

IF you took the gbank money for yourself, you deserve all the abuse your getting to be fair. Should be distributed between the members evenly, even if it ends up 50g each or something daft.

Half of the money was mine, I was the only person to ever donate, and I donated all of my wallet. The rest was from raid BoEs. None of it belongs to anyone individually or specifically, thus it can't be 'stolen'. Members are always welcome to contact me to get their share. I'm obviously not just going to leave it in the guild bank while I type /gdisband. Not that it's any of your business, you quit on the guild and all it's members you so valiantly protect long ago.

not once did I change loot rules or get other people to roll to win and pass loot over, unlike you did...

Yes I've changed loot rules from raid to raid, what exactly is your point? And getting other people to roll on items so that guild members can get them over pugs is pretty common. You make it sound like I'm stealing the loot, you realise I had master looter? If I wanted to steal the loot I'd just... steal it. I'm not like that, nor do I condone that though.

 

[Sawell]

The only guild members to get loot from your "changing loot rules" was yourself

Can you please specificy what you're actually talking about before I OcUK you (RoFL)

and how can you call me a quiter when you disbanded the guild lol. Kettle calling pot black or what?

I'm stepping up my game. Although on the plus side I don't have to deal with this kind of crap anymore, so you may have me there.

Adding to that, what the hell has Mr T and my post count got to do with anything lol? I know for a fact your not 12 years old Graham so please don't infer that you are with utterly retarded replies.

Just because you don't understand something that doesn't make the third party retarded. You inferred that by me suggesting people play with us that it's somehow my fault that they are spending money doing it, so I likened it to the TV adverts where Mr T is advertising World of Warcraft. It's just a pretty stupid thing to suggest, and obviously has no relevance to people's individual ability to make their own decisions regarding what they do or where they go in their life. It's a wonderful thing, freedom.

If your offering the members a share of the gbank pot of gold, thats fine by me and its the right thing to do and amazingly I still speak to people from the guild outside of the game just like you do on skype to all your RL mates, who happened to be officers.

I speak to more than just my RL mates on Skype, I speak to most of the guild that want to be social on there. I still speak to a lot of them. 'Who happened to be officers'. Rofl? You know I started this guild with them, right? The reason I play WoW is because of my RL friends.

 

[Sawell]

Prime example getting another paladin to roll on the shield from first boss in icc 25 then saying "mains before alts" and having him hand it over to you lol.

Matt gave me the shield because he wanted to, I asked for nothing. Perhaps you shouldn't talk if all you're going to talk is ****.

Plus instead of disbanding why didnt you just ask a member if they wanted to shoulder the burden and carry on as the casual guild it "supposedly" was, oh wait common sense is required for that isn't it.

I already planned that, sorry to poo on your little common sense party there. There wasn't a viable candidate. You can ask your Skype inside friends. One of the officers did offer, but given the amount of people that were leaving I thought it best to let the name die and if something should be re-born then let it run its own course.

My initial posts was highly tongue in cheek as I genuinely didn't mean any offence, just clearing up facts but your purile posting manner is just facecious at best now. I'm going to report the thread for closure anyway as I'm sure other people are gonna get bored of reading your **** as well "mate"

I'm glad I got to you. You and Robbo now both feel perhaps a tenth of how wound up people I was getting with the scrubs we carried.

I would be eternally grateful if you could get this thread locked and buried, thank you.

 

[Sawell]

Having carried a huge amount of players through SSC/TK/BT/Sunwell (all pre nerf) as an officer when raids actually took a bit of effort to put together I know exactly how you feel.

I got that very same horrible feeling when I joined The Unit, always a shame when you end up having to carry officers though, heh.

That's fascinating.

 

[Sawell]

Yeah you planned it so you profited 22k from the guild bank more like. Plus those "scrubs" which you so politely put it are for the most part fellow forum members plus, amazingly people with feelings.

Well good luck in whatever guild you take your pompass attitude to anyway, they'll need it more than you

Oh we're playing the 'let's throw out assumptions' game again, joy. It's amazing how you can take something that's not true, re-word it then make it into something that sounds factual. Your parents must be proud.

Oh and you did it again! Double whammy, that was two in one paragraph. But I have to clear that second one up, the scrubs were from the realm, as previously stated. Oh god isn't reading FUN.

Thanks for your good luck wishes.

 

[Sawell]

Barbarians. Well I know some people in there and they got an 'elitist attitude' as you would say is so horrible.

I didn't say I didn't like elitists, I love them if they've got the right to be. But it has to be in the right place, at the right time. I'm going hardcore to be with them, not to get away from them. But hardcore guilds are hardcore, it's the standard you expect. If you're not being told what you're doing wrong in a competitive environment then something is wrong.

Either way. I wasted money on transferring to join a guild I got kicked from for knowing someone you don't like.

Which I apologised and welcomed you back for. It was based on the fact that you joined and play with them. I know I'd go if my friends were kicked out of the guild, as I stand in my friend's corner.

And yea, it did all seem like a 'social and fun leveling guild' from reading this thread but it sure wasn't. I helped out on my priest healing the "bad" totc10 instead of my warrior that I was going to raid on. I gave away gems etc trying to be nice to people, helping out with whatever they needed.

I think I raided maybe once or twice with you guys, most of the stuff you did (the totcs etc) were organised by an ex-officer as an ad-hoc thing.

While your friends all got free pass to do whatever they wanted.

That's what friends are for.

If you actually wanted real progress (I assume since you are now leaving the guild being so 'bad' and all) most would have actually brought members who could perform well.. I'm not saying that all your friends where bad but it was quite clear from the start who the guild was made for.

My friends are great players, there's no doubt about that. We're all great gamers in general. We had dead weight, but that weight wasn't in the foundations. It's easy to say 'bring in good players', but not so easy to do. WoW is a big game these days, massive market and has attracted a lot of casual and non-competitve gamers. There's quite a sifting job to do on them compared to 3-4 years ago.

You have to expect to get stick for disbanding a guild because you are leaving for another one and looking at some of the posts here you did not even explain properly to the people (who paid) to transfer trying to make your guild expand other than a 'sorry' afterwards here on the forums.

I didn't say I wasn't expecting it. I told the people that were regular and active members who were social within the guild.

Mondego, Robbo and myself all came into your raid outperforming everyone in Naxx25/Ulduar25 gear. So talk more BS please.

2-3 months ago, sure.

 

[Sawell]

Calm it down boys, and well done for ruining this thread

Any more fighting & you get a holiday. End of

Apologies, I didn't mean to antagonise and provoke them. I've been doing this so long sometimes I do it without thinking I probably should have left it, but it's too easy

I shall behave.

 

[Sawell]

Very disappointing to see how everything turned out i got to admit.

But these are the types of people that play wow these days.

Goodbye comradery
Hello Misanthropy

Jason, right? Intrigued as to why you've turned on us, the other officers included and deleted/blocked us.

We held nothing against you and only spoke favourably about you. I appreciate that there was a band wagon of hatred in this thread towards me, and am thankful that for the most part it's directed by a few sour individuals. But I'm surprised that you've turned too. The irony in what you've said above vs getting on the misanthropy wagon towards members who've only ever tried to help you is rich.

If you've got your own personal reasons then fine, but I'd hate to believe that you have been seduced into following the thoughts of a few misinformed and narrow-minded individuals.

I was looking forward to playing some BC2 with you. You spoke only a few days ago about joining us on the realm we migrated to.

 

[Sawell]

correct,

No band wagon of hate on my part bud,
I just found it a bit of an eye opener reading how you have posted here and the way you have spoken to people on here.

Not saying any of you guys have done anything to me specificly
I just dont wish to associate myself with that sort of crowd.
Hence the deletes from skype and steam.
And i also really dont feel like being griefed over steam or skype.
Not sayin that they will but i cbf with the possibility of it happening.


/tinfoilhat

Best of luck with with your endevours in wow.

Anyone backed into a corner by insulting and slander would defend themselves if they have any sort of pride. Why you'd base that behaviour on my general mentality towards friends or people in general is beyond me, especially as you know me. I've never been rude to you, shown you any hostility and neither have my friends. But you seem to have made your mind up and fair enough. It's a shame because we live close and we're all just normal guys, we don't bitch about people or moan or give people grief unless we're forced into that situation. I thought we were just getting to know each other after you coming back from holiday, but meh.

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do.

 

[Sawell]

The Unit: Resurrection

Due to interest and a general feeling of 'missing each other' (poofs) The Unit is looking like it will be rising from the ashes in a new and improved direction on a decent server (TBA).

We had a fantastic time during the period we were established and, for the most part, were as our name intended; a solid unit of people bound by a common goal with a good sense of humour and attitude. It seems that the solidity of our bond has not been broken, and for a lot of us there is a keen interest to see us unite again, but with changes in mind. The changes are as follows:

New Server

Karazhan, to put it bluntly, was a poor choice of server on our part. There was no sense of community; the only community that existed was broken and imbalanced, and generally hostile. The server was littered with those that struggle to speak English and the h/a population was dire. All round it was a big contributing factor to the demise of The Unit. Starting out there is a requirement to source a high proportion of your raiders locally before players will consider x-realm, and this counted against us during our start-up.

We will be relocating to a higher population and well established realm, which has yet to be confirmed until we transfer there ourselves.

Leadership

We are taking a different approach to the way in which the guild will be led. Going forward there will be a Guild Council, consisting of either 3 or 5 members of The Unit. The council will be chosen by the members, and the council members will need to prove their worth towards leadership of the guild. We feel this democratic approach to leadership will not only aid the way in which the guild is run, but also help us to establish a democracy that allows members to dictate the direction of their guild, and allows the burden of guild administration to be spread evenly over a council of individuals.

New members and ideas will voted for by the council members, and they will need a majority in order to be accepted.

Stricter recruitment and ranking

Part of our problem is that we rushed from 10 man to 25 man too quickly, and due to this rushed our recruitment to get the numbers needed in order to raid. Going forward this will change, the recruitment policy will be harder and there will be an enforced probationary period for new members of 1-2 weeks in which they are judged. Initially new members must get a majority (2 or 3 yeses from the council depending on size) to be accepted.

The ranks will also receive more structure, including class leaders and junior and senior raiders.

Raiding and rotations

Another big complaint of the previous Unit was the way in which we conducted raids. The raids themselves had good feedback, but the way in which players were chosen to raid was often subject to criticism, especially in 10 man raids. This will be looked at and changed.

These are but a few of the changes we are looking to make with the new guild. Some of the old faces that will be moving with us include Mancold, Infamy, Fetchi, Shamcow, Adorra, Kravchuck, Jailbayt and, of course, Pumpty. I hope that we can unite more of the old members, who of course are welcome back without question. I also hope that you have realised the passion I have to correct the mistakes that I take responsibility for. Let the good times roll on!

For more info

 

[Sawell]

As I've said on the forum.

I can fully understand peoples frustration behind what happened.

I was at fault and I take full responsibility for my actions, they were abrupt and unflinching and not consistent with my standard mentality or demeanour. You deserved an explanation and a supported chance to build what was lost and I didn't help. For that I am sorry.

The truth is that I was stressed out. At the time I figured I'd just carry on playing in a different direction and all would be fine. But that wasn't really the issue, it was the fact that leading the guild was taking over my life and mind. The management structure I had in place in the old model was based around the ability for others to reactively take duties should I be unable to. In theory it works well, but the reality is quite different. It's hard to explain until you have single-handedly tried to manage over 40 different individuals needs and requirements every day of the week, still always trying to remember that you're playing the game for entertainment.

The structure was the problem in The Unit, and it's harder than you think to shift culture in that kind of environment. It was my fault for trying to juggle more than I should given the fact that I work full time, socialise and try to have a relationship with my girlfriend at the same time. In the back of my mind WoW is still just a game, I have a mortgage to pay, friends and a girlfriend to keep above all else. You would be surprised how hindered those real elements of my life were becoming.

So all in all some bad judgements on my part, but these things in life you can but learn from. I should have done things differently and I didn't, and if we can't right wrongs then we'll never progress beyond the tips of our nose. I'm all about learning and moving on, and I think those who would meet this gesture and this apology on my part with cynicism and pessimism should move on too. People make mistakes, and I have no problem pointing out my own.

Does this mean you should trust me? No, of course not. Trust and respect are things that are earned. But I'd like you to. However given the circumstance I don't think that should be what you should ask, it should be 'did I enjoy The Unit?'. If you did, then we're back. If you didn't, then I wish you the best of luck in your pursuits.

 

[Sawell]

If thats genuinely sincere then fairplay, although myself and a few others definately don't trust you. Due to this, are you going to be the guild leader of the unit or will it be someone else with you as an officer or something? I'm only asking as I still have chars on that server which are left there rotting atm and I did enjoy playing in the guild before numerous issues destroyed it.

Yes it's completely sincere. The guild will now be led by council, so there's no one individual (such as myself) that can make decisions for the guild. In 2-3 months we'll look to install a democratic style of leadership whereby members can decide who they want or don't want in their council. The council group will probably consist of 3 or 5 people. And majority rules on voting (new members, rule changes, etc).

Worth pointing out though that we are actually migrating to a different server, if you want to tag along!