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All the one did was have front facing speakers. I'm not sure I'd call it really innovative. Its a great phone of course, more rounded than the s4, but its not in some uber class of its own. The fact t3 voted it phone of the year makes little difference to me.

Not really, it has fantastic speakers, a brilliant screen that isn't too big, aluminium monocoque body, UltraPixel camera and a great UI which has been simplified. Battery lasts for ages too. You can tell they've upped their game massively when they've made it and they moved away from the numbers game and marketing ploys to produce an awesome and the best phone out.

Anyway less about the one. What's this about the s2 beingbing the best in the range? It probably had the largest lead on the competition at release if that's what you mean, but that doesn't make it the best in the range. The s4 is of course.

That was obviously relative to what was out at the time. It was a phone that was sooo much better than everything else out. It was thin, good looking, light and a perfect size.
 
I expect the 16GB model (which shouldn't exist) with less than 5GB of available onboard storage. A fresh install with a 1.5GB TW ROM has around 4GB left on my S4, complete joke!
 
That was obviously relative to what was out at the time. It was a phone that was sooo much better than everything else out. It was thin, good looking, light and a perfect size.

Perfect size is open to debate - can you not fathom this?

I expect the 16GB model (which shouldn't exist) with less than 5GB of available onboard storage. A fresh install with a 1.5GB TW ROM has around 4GB left on my S4, complete joke!

Something very wrong there - free space should be ~10GB.
 
put it this way.. there was a clear difference between 720p and 1080p when looking at the thing.. between 1080p and 2k there will be nothing simply because you can't see the pixels on 5" display anyway.. on a 6+ inch screen it will be a nice addition but on 5" its all numbers game.

People said the same thing about 720p to 1080p, there wouldn't be a visual difference so I think we can't say much until we've seen it in the flesh (2K).

I don't want a phone that looks nearly identical to the previous one or one made from plastic. I still think the Galaxy S2 was by far the best phone in the range. I also don't like how Samsung load their phones up with junk upon piles of more junk. My gfs Galaxy s3 is slower navigating around the menus than my own S2.

I don't want smart everything. They just went over the top with what can only be described as gimmicks that people will never ever use. Smart stay was a really good feature on the S3 then on the S4 they just went mental with all these stupid software things. Samsung don't seem to be able to release a software update without messing it up either, probably because it has all of this junk on it.

After using the Galaxy S3 it's so refreshing to use the HTC One with its simplicity and custom skin which compliments Android rather than destroying it with junk.

Samsung haven't innovated at all recently, apart from the thing on the S4 where it tracks your finger without you having to touch the screen, that's cool.

All Samsung have done is kept the same body, put faster chips in, more memory, a better camera and a better screen. Nothing at all which wasn't expected. The HTC One really did innovate and I can see why it gets a better write up than the S4. Not to mention HTC have been great with updates in the last 6 months.

I'll agree with you that TouchWiz is too heavily bloated, but nothing that cant be fixed with some custom roms or freezing some of the bloatware, hardly a challenge for many android users. Also, there are plenty of 3rd party launchers to use if TW doesn't fit your preferences to be honest. As James said, the only "innovating" feature the HTC One has if you want to call it one is the front facing speakers, they are the best amongst smartphones but I wouldn't call them innovating. If you believe Samsung haven't done much in terms of innovation it doesn't say much for other manufacturers.

Also I don't see how all the Samsung flagship models have kept the same body, care to elaborate there with some examples? They are all easily identifiable from one another if you ask me.
 
Not really, it has fantastic speakers , a brilliant screen that isn't too big, aluminium monocoque body, UltraPixel camera and a great UI which has been simplified. Battery lasts for ages too. You can tell they've upped their game massively when they've made it and they moved away from the numbers game and marketing ploys to produce an awesome and the best phone out.

You said innovative.....

Speakers: I mentioned them already.
screen: it's a 4.7" LCD. how is it innovative?
aluminium body: apple
battery: what's innovative about the battery?

That was obviously relative to what was out at the time. It was a phone that was sooo much better than everything else out. It was thin, good looking, light and a perfect size.

It wasn't obvious no, because you said the s2 was the best in the range. It might have had the biggest lead at release (like i said) but it was just as flawed then as the gs4 is now. The display, for example, was all over the shop colour-wise, and not that we knew it at the time but quite susceptible to screen burn.

Something very wrong there - free space should be ~10GB.

Yeah it was something like 9.5 the last time i installed a stock rom. I'd have a look through the root folder for folders from a previous install, because even full wipes dont remove everything. I think /data/obb is the main one but I cant remember right now lol
 
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Not really, it has fantastic speakers, a brilliant screen that isn't too big, aluminium monocoque body, UltraPixel camera and a great UI which has been simplified. Battery lasts for ages too. You can tell they've upped their game massively when they've made it and they moved away from the numbers game and marketing ploys to produce an awesome and the best phone out.

1) The Snapdragon 600 was the best chipset out when they made it, so your point about them not playing the numbers game is meaningless. The sequel to the One will also have the fastest CPU available.

2) Battery is known for being sub-par.

3) Camera is widely regarded as nothing special and too low resolution, despite all the hype.
 
Meh

2k is barely any better than 1080p! Besides with a screen size less than 5.5", it isn't needed as you can't see the pixels at all on any of the current 1080p phones.

I just want touch wiz to be revamped and instead of glossy pattern plastic, a nice plastic finish like the nexus 5/7, one x, lumia etc. And stereo speakers, preferably on the front.

Camera MP is fine, need bigger pixels and ois this time though.
 
Someone want to explain 2k to me? The only 2k I know is ever so slightly larger resolution than 1080p...

2k is 2560x1440 in th mobile world.

They say that 2k is 2560x1440, but I don't approve of that, since 2048x1080 or 1920x1200 is pretty much 2k anyway. I think that 2560x1440 should either be called 2.6k or 3.7M (megapixels).
 
Perfect size is open to debate - can you not fathom this?



Something very wrong there - free space should be ~10GB.

16GB > 14.8GB formatted.

Apps (no games or large apps - fresh install) and everything else - 1.7GB
Free space - 4GB

How is 9GB been used?

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You said innovative.....

Speakers: I mentioned them already.
screen: it's a 4.7" LCD. how is it innovative?
aluminium body: apple
battery: what's innovative about the battery?

Screen- Whilst every other Android manufacturer was going for massive screens HTC went with a more reasonable sized screen and it was the most detailed screen out at the time (and possibly still is?).

Alu body - Can't think of any other Android manufacturer that have an aluminium shell/decent body. The Xperia Z is nice, but ruined by the screen. Whilst not innovative in the mobile world, it definitely was in the Android world.

Battery - After having a Galaxy S2 and the girlfriend having a GS3, not having to carry around a spare battery and still getting home at the end of the day with 30-40% battery life was something of a revelation to me.

Speaker - No need to say more about this.

Camera - It's fantastic.

Sense UI - This again has been thought about. It hasn't taken over Android, it has enhanced it. I actually didn't mind Touchwiz, but on the later Galaxy phones, they've just gone bonkers with it. It's so loaded down with crap that no one will ever use, that it affects the whole experience.

Whilst perhaps all of these weren't innovative in their own right, putting them all together in the same package was. It was more focussed on what the end user wanted. Not what Samsung wanted the end user to want.

Every other phone on the market had major flaws to it. Some had terrible battery life, some were made from POLYCARBONATE (...plastic), some had washed out screens, some were too large, some weren't powerful enough, some were loaded with insane amounts of junk.

It wasn't obvious no, because you said the s2 was the best in the range. It might have had the biggest lead at release (like i said) but it was just as flawed then as the gs4 is now. The display, for example, was all over the shop colour-wise, and not that we knew it at the time but quite susceptible to screen burn.

Seriously? You seriously thought i was talking about specs? :confused: Yeah, because the GS2 is just so much more powerful that the GS4 right?

The GS2 was no where near a flawed as the GS4 is. The GS2 was new, exciting and where Android really took a leap forward. The GS4 has taken baby steps forward from the GS3, and that's being kind to it.

1) The Snapdragon 600 was the best chipset out when they made it, so your point about them not playing the numbers game is meaningless. The sequel to the One will also have the fastest CPU available.
Yep, but they didn't clock it and didn't play the numbers game like Samsung did. They knew that theirs would look worse on paper, but they cared more about the bigger picture than beating another manufacturer on the spec list

2) Battery is known for being sub-par.

Known < experienced. It isn't. It isn't at all.

3) Camera is widely regarded as nothing special and too low resolution, despite all the hype.

Again "widely regarded"? By who? You?

The camera was very much welcomed by those in the know about cameras and reviews. I have done a side by side comparison with various scenes from my GS2 8MP and the One destroys it for fun. Fair enough, that was to be expected.

VS the GS3 it takes so much better photos that aren't scenery.

VS GS4 - no idea.

Again this was another area where HTC could have said "yeah! lets stick a million mega pixel camera just to try and show we're exactly the same as every other manufacturer". It was a bold move not to, but the phone is so much better for it. Something ridiculous like 90% of all photos taken on camera phones never get viewed on anything other than a mobile screen. Not to mention, why oh why do you want pictures that are now, what, 6-7MBs EACH? Just in case you decide to put it on you brand new £10000 4K TV? Sending and backing up photos with 1.5-2MB photos is just so much easier. And it negates the need for massive amounts of space on the phone.

All of these things have clearly been thought about and taken into account when the One was conceived. What do you think Samsung thought about when they made the GS4 - just making it bigger, with more power and more space than the GS3. They didn't even change the look of it ffs, that's how lazy they were about it.

I've said it before and i'll say it again, you get the best products from companies that are the number 2 or 3 or 4. The number one companies always end up resting on their laurels. When Samsung were playing catch up to Apple, they produced the GS2 - a brilliant phone which arguably is where the whole Galaxy range took off. Now what are Samsung making? The same phone as last year.

When Apple were still wowing us with their latest phones, they were producing things like the retina display and all glass bodies. Now what are they producing? The same phone as last year.

I sincerely hope Samsung make a genuinely good GS5 because i will happily buy it. I don't have any biases when it comes to phone manufacturers, i go for the best phone regardless of who makes it. But i think the only way Samsung will make a truly great phone is if they stop chasing the numbers game, start thinking about the USER EXPERIENCE (now there's a dirty word for an Android manufacturer) and really think about making a phone that takes people's breath away.

The numbers game is finite. People are realising their GS2's/GS3's don't need to be updated every 18/24months because they are still powerful enough to run everything quite happily. It's not like when Android was at 2.2 level. That's why manufacturers need to look at other things to sell their phones - i just hope Samsung don't go down the line of introducing another 400 useless "Smart ....." gimmicks.
 
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I'll agree with you that TouchWiz is too heavily bloated, but nothing that cant be fixed with some custom roms or freezing some of the bloatware, hardly a challenge for many android users.

I would suggest you don't know many Android users then. I suggest you know people who are into the same things that you are. Out of the 15 or so people i can think off of the top of my head, none of them would have a clue where to start in loading a custom rom. Hell, i don't even know. I'm willing to put money on the fact that out of all Android phones sold, less than 0.5% know how to load up custom ROMs. Not to mention, not everyone (me included) wants to mess around with that kind of stuff. Custom ROM's can be unstable and can give complication to warranty claims.

Now i'm sure there is a menu within another menu to revert to factory or something but quite simply - people don't care about this kind of stuff, again, myself included. Some people *shock horror* want to just use their phones and want them to be good out of the box.

Also I don't see how all the Samsung flagship models have kept the same body, care to elaborate there with some examples? They are all easily identifiable from one another if you ask me.

I'm quite into technology and phones and stuff, but i swear to God, if someone whipped out their GS4 and typed out a quick message and put it away, i would think it was just a GS3. And it's not just me who says (and has experienced) this. Many reviewers said it as well.

To the average person? Ha, not a chance.
 
Screen- Whilst every other Android manufacturer was going for massive screens HTC went with a more reasonable sized screen and it was the most detailed screen out at the time (and possibly still is?).

it's a 4.7" 1080p panel. It's not 3.5". the gs4 has a 5" 1080p (4.99" if you're being pedantic, a whole 0.29" bigger than the ONE's, NOT massive) in a smaller body. both 1080p, so same detail on both. the size difference makes no difference here as both screens are comfortably above the threshold for such difference to have any effect. No innovation there from either camp as far as resolution and size go, and not the technology either AS they are both evolutionary steps forward from their respective predecessors.

I'm quite into technology and phones and stuff, but i swear to God, if someone whipped out their GS4 and typed out a quick message and put it away, i would think it was just a GS3. And it's not just me who says (and has experienced) this. Many reviewers said it as well.

The home button is in a difference place and the bezels are thicker on the 3, its something that's quite apparent owning a gs4 but yes if you didnt it would be hard to tell. Well, other than the completely different back cover and camera arrangement of course.

The rest of it i just cant be bothered to reply to, it's just more of the same, sorry. oh except this, the HTC legend was a alu unibody phone and that was out 3 years prior to the ONE. but I guess that doesnt count, for some reason. You seem to think the s4 is such a poor phone but remember, the s4 might have been 2nd place to the ONE overall but it was still 2nd place, NOT bottom of the pile. It's not a poor phone, far far from it. The fact is, the ONE had a better combination of features that the general public wanted, and that's what won it for many ONE users. there was no gulf between the two, which is the picture you are trying to paint.
 
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TBH as long as Samsung insist on shipping devices with KNOX installed I'm staying well clear, even if the GS5 managed to cook a 3 course meal on a daily basis.
 
TBH as long as Samsung insist on shipping devices with KNOX installed I'm staying well clear, even if the GS5 managed to cook a 3 course meal on a daily basis.

I haven't been fallowing samsung and COX for ages.. whats up with it lately? why is it so bad? :)
 
I haven't been fallowing samsung and COX for ages.. whats up with it lately? why is it so bad? :)

Lolz with COX...Dude you always come up with classics :D

Exactly as Kona stated it invalidates the warranty if the counter is tripped flashing ROMs on the device.

Samsung shot themselves in the foot with that one.
 
I don't want a faster phone, I don't want a screen with more pixels, I don't want more memory in the phone and I certainly don't want a bigger phone.

I love how "technological progression" has just come down to increasing all of the above. My HTC One is fast as hell, screen is more than detailed enough, with enough memory and storage and a lovely chasis , design and speakers.

For my next phone, in addition to the above, I want more battery life and a higher res UltraPixel camera. I don't want a bigger phone though. I'd be happy to go back to Samsung phone but I'm afraid they'll focus on the "traditional" technological progressions and the numbers game rather than thinking outside the box

Where as i want a faster phone, higher spec = longer lasting when more demanding games/apps can be created to make use of them. I want a bigger screen as i do a lot of browsing/games/video on my phone. I want more pixels because it makes the aforementioned all look better.

I would also like a nice metal chassis or at least more premium finish on the plastic and stereo speakers on the front.

Couldnt give a monkey about the battery as seemingly unlike everybody else i actually charge my phone nightly and dont need it to last days without a charge.
 
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