GTA IV ads pulled down in US

snowdog said:
What people? You mean lifeless opbjects created in 3dmax and photoshop. Lifeless zero's n ones.


The everyday items he mentioned are mroe dangerous than a videogame.
How often are razor blades used as a weapon ?
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Are razor blades ever advertised as weapons? Are they intended to be used as weapons? I'm not saying don't play the game and don't advertise it. Don't however get kids curious in the first place
 
manoz said:
Are razor blades ever advertised as weapons? Are they intended to be used as weapons? I'm not saying don't play the game and don't advertise it. Don't however get kids curious in the first place
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Don't gun shops have adverts outside them in America, and din;t a bank advertise the policy that when you got an account with them you got a free gun?

Pretty sure those are advertised as weapons.
 
memory said:
i didnt say he couldnt....his comment just looked like part of a conversation about right and wrong.....anything else sherlock ?

btw it also says he is from netherlands so whilst you were doing your detective work..why didnt you notice it
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I just rad his comment then posted about it with you saying he didn't say he could drink.


I've been legally allowed to buy & drink alcohol for 13 months but I can't relax and shoot a few people in GTA ?
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Anything else Shirley?
 
memory said:
you want to remove all alcolhol/tampon/gillette mens razor/gillette womens razor/womens eye make up/lipstick/babies nappies/condoms/womens underwear/mens underwear/mattresses for people with backpains advertisments too because they are not for everyone.....yes the list does go on but i cut it short just for you.
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Can I just point out, if I were able to prove beyond any question that these were the cause of inexcusable behavior, would you not ban them?

I can't prove it, but if I could put up a good argument that they may be the source of some of societies woes, would I be in the wrong to try and discover the truth? To even alter our entire method of advertising because of it?

I am a Graphic Designer, so this is a huge deal to me, it is my entire life. It is not a bad thing to think for a moment that our every rule behind advertising should be questioned.
 
Tefal said:
Don't gun shops have adverts outside them in America, and din;t a bank advertise the policy that when you got an account with them you got a free gun?

Pretty sure those are advertised as weapons.
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What's your point? How's that gona change my opionion that these things shouldn't be advertised publicly? I doubt a kid can open a bank account anyway, there's background checks. Plus it's a stupid idea which epitomises America's stupid gun laws
 
Lyon85 said:
More like it, thank you for respecting where I am coming from. I mean that, I always tend to get ignored in these situations. That or people just fire back the same old argument without having actually thought about it.

The example I gave, and the studies I have personally taken have targetted girls/women. The idea that Bratz doesn't affect boys is because it isn't targeted at them. If a Levis advert from men used violence as a vehicle to sell their product we would see the exact same principle applied in these studies for men. We have to think less about what the product is, but more what the vehicle is. I have never seen an overweight lass in a perfume advert, have you? If you simply adapt these studies to work with video game adverts, they would still work.
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Ok.
I don't really think so as I just don't believe video games change your self image like adverts would do.

Nobody confuses video games with reality (with the mentally ill as an exception). Not one person in the world. If they affected you when you were 3-10, then that is an issue is it not?
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Not really, all games did on me was I started learning about some stuff wich I would usually not know. Or create interests, eg. coz of transport tycoon I still now love infrastructure or coz of rollercoaster tycoon me and my mate wanted to start a theme park later. However voilent games did not make me think differently, just because I liked Red alert and age of empires, I don't want to conquer the world now in reality or kill all the russians.

I'm saying, even a 10 year old knows what is right and what is wrong, unless you have had some terrible parents. You don't do bad stuff at that age coz of seeing a video game. I can still vaguely renember what I was like as an 11/12 year old, I would never even think of just hitting someone just because I rammed people in with a bat in GTA III. Infact I didn't even understand the story or what i did with the girls in *** first mission, I just played it for the ''gameplay''.
 
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manoz said:
What's your point? How's that gona change my opionion that these things shouldn't be advertised publicly? I doubt a kid can open a bank account anyway, there's background checks. Plus it's a stupid idea which epitomises America's stupid gun laws
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kid can't legally buy GTA either so whats your point?
 
Tefal said:
kid can't legally buy GTA either so whats your point?
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Although im on your side of the argument I think, I have to say the point is:

Kids still get GTA even though it's not legal ( be it form mates/bros/illegal guy on local market/ p2p.)

While they don't open bank accounts. As you'd need an id for that one, and every bank asks for one.
 
snowdog said:
Ok.
I don't really think so as I just don't believe video games change your self image like adverts would do.



Not really, all games did on me was I started learning about some stuff wich I would usually not know. Or create interests, eg. coz of transport tycoon I still now love infrastructure or coz of rollercoaster tycoon me and my mate wanted to start a theme park later. However voilent games did not make me think differently, just because I liked Red alert and age of empires, I don't want to conquer the world now in reality or kill all the russians.

I'm saying, even a 10 year old knows what is right and what is wrong, unless you have had some terrible parents. You don't do bad stuff at that age coz of seeing a video game. I can still vaguely renember what I was like as an 11/12 year old, I would never even think of just hitting someone just because I rammed people in with a bat in GTA III. Infact I didn't even understand the story, I just played it for the ''gameplay''.
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You are touching on one of the points I am trying to make though. Video games have not had a conscious affect on you because in a lot of the games we play we take the role of a killer. As we do not replicate these actions in our lives, EVER, we assume they did not alter our consciousness. Lets role play for a second, lets say you have never played a violent game in your life. You have had no exposure to them in any form. If you were presented with one at this stage in life, your reaction to them would undoubtedly be different. It's a very simple way of looking at it, but from this idea we can deduct that we are affected by video games. It doesn't create killers, but it changes you.

Before we get any further into this, I need to point out that my topic of interest is advertising, not video games. You can censor games if you wish, you cannot censor advertising.
 
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snowdog said:
While they don't open bank accounts. As you'd need an id for that one, and every bank asks for one.
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Ahh but they can and do buy guns when they shouldn't be able to, columbine etc guns where bought with their dads card iirc.

They must have seen an advert for that gun/shop somewhere to be able to find it, and as we have found out

gun > GTA for all your homicidal needs :)*


Although I guess you could break the disk and jab someone in the eye.... I want to see this option in GTA :(
 
My opinion in all this is video games are no different than films and the parents should show a responsibility in what games and videos they can watch or play, if they beleive that there child at 15 is mature enough to play or watch an 18 rated product then there is no problem in that but if the parent is letting there child play or watch what he or she wants to when there too young or immature to handle seeing shooting people or horror scenes then that would be irresponsible parenting and in some respects the parent should be held accountable of child neglect for not trying to look after the best intrests of there children.
As for Americans worrying about violence in video games they need to look at there gun clubs and there law before blaming video games for school shootings or gang culture, i recall seeing something about a few months ago on t.v where someone had gone on a shooting rampage and the police man that they were interviewing said he couldnt understand how the person could have had so many guns because of there local state laws only permited someone to buy a gun every 2 weeks, so you could buy 2 guns a month thats 26 a year so if 10 people bought 26 guns a year legaly that would be 2600 which would be enough to supply a small army and thats not counting grenades or firearms that can be brought through unnoficial means.I appolagise if it sounds like i'm ranting but it annoys me every time theres a shooting games that are aimed towards the older gamer are blamed and should be banned because of the violence in a game, if some American politicians had there way then all games and films would be banned and adults would be forced to watch telly tubbies and listen to al martino records then we would have to go hunting with Dick Cheney to get our kicks
 
minizx said:
My opinion in all this is video games are no different than films and the parents should show a responsibility in what games and videos they can watch or play, if they beleive that there child at 15 is mature enough to play or watch an 18 rated product then there is no problem in that but if the parent is letting there child play or watch what he or she wants to when there too young or immature to handle seeing shooting people or horror scenes then that would be irresponsible parenting and in some respects the parent should be held accountable of child neglect for not trying to look after the best intrests of there children.
As for Americans worrying about violence in video games they need to look at there gun clubs and there law before blaming video games for school shootings or gang culture, i recall seeing something about a few months ago on t.v where someone had gone on a shooting rampage and the police man that they were interviewing said he couldnt understand how the person could have had so many guns because of there local state laws only permited someone to buy a gun every 2 weeks, so you could buy 2 guns a month thats 26 a year so if 10 people bought 26 guns a year legaly that would be 2600 which would be enough to supply a small army and thats not counting grenades or firearms that can be brought through unnoficial means.I appolagise if it sounds like i'm ranting but it annoys me every time theres a shooting games that are aimed towards the older gamer are blamed and should be banned because of the violence in a game, if some American politicians had there way then all games and films would be banned and adults would be forced to watch telly tubbies and listen to al martino records then we would have to go hunting with Dick Cheney to get our kicks
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I'm not trying to start an argument here, but you have made the same mistake that the majority of people in this thread has. The game has not been banned, publicity has. The positioning and exposure is being criticised. Please rethink your argument.
 
Lyon85 said:
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but you have made the same mistake that the majority of people in this thread has. The game has not been banned, publicity has. The positioning and exposure is being criticised. Please rethink your argument.
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Many of the arguements in this thread are valid, and the one you quoted makes some very good points about American society. Its all very hypocritical and as I mentioned earlier, its a great chance for a bunch of uninformed, fame hungry journalists to jump on the latest "big issue" and over blow it to the point of hilarity.
 
minizx said:
My opinion in all this is video games are no different than films and the parents should show a responsibility in what games and videos they can watch or play, if they beleive that there child at 15 is mature enough to play or watch an 18 rated product then there is no problem in that but if the parent is letting there child play or watch what he or she wants to when there too young or immature to handle seeing shooting people or horror scenes then that would be irresponsible parenting and in some respects the parent should be held accountable of child neglect for not trying to look after the best intrests of there children.
As for Americans worrying about violence in video games they need to look at there gun clubs and there law before blaming video games for school shootings or gang culture, i recall seeing something about a few months ago on t.v where someone had gone on a shooting rampage and the police man that they were interviewing said he couldnt understand how the person could have had so many guns because of there local state laws only permited someone to buy a gun every 2 weeks, so you could buy 2 guns a month thats 26 a year so if 10 people bought 26 guns a year legaly that would be 260 which would be enough to supply a small army and thats not counting grenades or firearms that can be brought through unnoficial means.I appolagise if it sounds like i'm ranting but it annoys me every time theres a shooting games that are aimed towards the older gamer are blamed and should be banned because of the violence in a game, if some American politicians had there way then all games and films would be banned and adults would be forced to watch telly tubbies and listen to al martino records then we would have to go hunting with Dick Cheney to get our kicks
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Lyon85 said:
I'm not trying to start an argument here, but you have made the same mistake that the majority of people in this thread has. The game has not been banned, publicity has. The positioning and exposure is being criticised. Please rethink your argument.
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i know that gta4 has'nt been banned and the op was about an advert on the side of a school bus but the advertisements for gta are not gory or blood thirsty in any way i cant see how this would be influencing children to shoot kill or mug someone just by seeing the portrait of a middle aged man and the gta tag and even if it did influence children to buy the game the parents should be able to turn round and say no to someone who would be affected by the images instead of saying "how much is it and how long can i occupy you with it so your not under my feet all day", parents or adults who try to ban these adverts have also condemed the gaming industry for creating these games instead of looking towards the parents who buy them just to keep there kids happy so i beleive that in this case there still condeming rockstar for creating and also advertising this game because there children will be affected or influenced by the actions of the character in an 18+ rated game
 
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