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Honestly people who pre order for a leg up on everyone else are the worst. You are encouraging ****** game marketing and punishing people with logical purchasing habits.

PRE-ORDER NOW AND GET THE FANTASTIC

"ALREADY COMPLETED FOR YOU EDITION"

- YOU LITERALLY WON'T HAVE TO BE CHALLENGED OR EXPEND ANY EFFORT AT ALL!!!

OR WHY NOT CHOOSE THE

"INTERCHANGEABLE DOES-NOTHING SKIN EDITION"?

- ONE OF OUR ARTISTS SPENT A WHOLE FIVE-MINUTES PASTING A DIFFERENT TEXTURE ON SOMETHING AND IT CAN BE YOURS AND NO ONE ELSE WILL HAVE IT!!!

(Just don't wait for reviews or impressions, whatever you do)
 
I hadn't realised the /r/pcmasterrace circle jerk around pre-ordering had arrived on OCUK. Whilst I generally agree with not pre-ordering for games such as X-series and Total War etc I've yet to have a rockstar game that didn't work for me well at release, GTA 4 played up for some people, but I avoided the early bugs e.g. shadow issues.

When you pay my bills you can dictate what I spend my money on..
 
Just got vice city to keep me going for a while. Last time I played it was initial release and I played it to death.

This is the first gta game I have played on a pc, although it is with a gamepad(needed to get an addon for x360 support)
 
I hadn't realised the /r/pcmasterrace circle jerk around pre-ordering had arrived on OCUK. Whilst I generally agree with not pre-ordering for games such as X-series and Total War etc I've yet to have a rockstar game that didn't work for me well at release, GTA 4 played up for some people, but I avoided the early bugs e.g. shadow issues.

When you pay my bills you can dictate what I spend my money on..

It's not pcmasterrace circle jerking. It's common sense.

Why put money into a product of unknown quality when you can wait to find out the quality and then put money down. It's illogical.

GTA IV isn't too buggy but the performance is still diabolical. It drops to 30fps for no reason and in no way justifies it with how it looks. You cannot do the last mission unless you manually cap the framerate to 30 and there is horrible mouse acceleration and if aiming with a mouse you have no bullet spread. You are also locked out of certain graphics options unless the game recognises you GPU. Which it doesn't for anything after the 7970.

When you stop encouraging developers to ruin an industry I have a great passion for I will stop telling you how to spend your money.
 
It's not pcmasterrace circle jerking. It's common sense.

Why put money into a product of unknown quality when you can wait to find out the quality and then put money down. It's illogical.

GTA IV isn't too buggy but the performance is still diabolical. It drops to 30fps for no reason and in no way justifies it with how it looks. You cannot do the last mission unless you manually cap the framerate to 30 and there is horrible mouse acceleration and if aiming with a mouse you have no bullet spread. You are also locked out of certain graphics options unless the game recognises you GPU. Which it doesn't for anything after the 7970.

When you stop encouraging developers to ruin an industry I have a great passion for I will stop telling you how to spend your money.

The above is not on all machine/setups. I have great performance on GTA IV and do not need to cap it to 30fps to finish the last mission. My mouse also works just fine with no acceleration that I can tell. I also have never had a FPS drop below 50 in fact it sits between 55-60. Your post makes out as if that is all fact when in reality it must just be a few select setups.
 
Don't usually pre order games but I've owned most GTA games and this will definitely be one of them after resisting double dipping buy buying it on PS3.
 
It's not pcmasterrace circle jerking. It's common sense.

Why put money into a product of unknown quality when you can wait to find out the quality and then put money down. It's illogical.

GTA IV isn't too buggy but the performance is still diabolical. It drops to 30fps for no reason and in no way justifies it with how it looks. You cannot do the last mission unless you manually cap the framerate to 30 and there is horrible mouse acceleration and if aiming with a mouse you have no bullet spread. You are also locked out of certain graphics options unless the game recognises you GPU. Which it doesn't for anything after the 7970.

When you stop encouraging developers to ruin an industry I have a great passion for I will stop telling you how to spend your money.

It's not common sense in all possible circumstances which is what many PC gamers are arguing, I'd be buying this on release day anyway - I own every GTA title to date and haven't been disappointed with any of them.

That's the key point here, this individual publisher has never failed to deliver for me personally, I avoid pre-ordering in most instances due to having been burnt before e.g. Ubisoft, X-series, Total War, any MMO. However in my own personal experience Rockstar when releasing a GTA title will make a good show of it - do I expect a flawless game? Absolutely not, hecked I'd be shocked if the servers didn't go down for a few days due to some idiot group DDOSing them or simply due to load balancing issues, but the bottom line is that the game itself will most likely be fine.

Pre-order or not Rockstar get my cash regardless, I can understand people being against pre-order with Ubisoft or trying to discourage the increasingly common "early access" games which have seemingly replaced simple demos but doing so in a blanket "every publisher is garbage" way is simply pointless.

I'll pick who I pre-order from, I'll do it rarely and only from companies or individuals I trust or have a proven track record with - but this entire "WE MUST NOT PRE ORDER PC GAMERS" stuff is frankly childish especially when you look at some of the early access titles out there which are laughable poor.
 
this individual publisher has never failed to deliver for me personally,

Did they not fail to deliver Red Dead?

That is the reason they no longer get my money :)

stuff is frankly childish especially when you look at some of the early access titles out there which are laughable poor.

I fail to see how you can call them poor when they are not even finished. Hell GTA titles would be out in the same state as these EA games but they have the money and man power to make them without us seeing the progress.
 
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The above is not on all machine/setups. I have great performance on GTA IV and do not need to cap it to 30fps to finish the last mission. My mouse also works just fine with no acceleration that I can tell. I also have never had a FPS drop below 50 in fact it sits between 55-60. Your post makes out as if that is all fact when in reality it must just be a few select setups.

The fact that is 6 years since the release of GTA IV and now we are getting to a point that the game can be run at 60fps on high end hardware shows that something is quite wrong with it. You only have to have a quick glance at the GTA IV thread to see people with really high end setups getting FPS drops to sub 30.

Last mission has a QTE where you have to mash a button. However the amount you have to mash is tied to your FPS, so if you are getting a high frame rate at that point it's impossible to complete.

Mouse aiming just felt weird and inconsistent. And was super sensitive at the lowest setting.

Also if you get high FPS during cutscenes the game becomes a stutter fest as it has no idea what it is doing. Limit the FPS and load times increase.

I love GTA IV as a game (the story is amazing imo) and for £5 it was worth dealing with all that crap. But £30-40 for dealing with a bugfest is not something I can tolerate.

It's not common sense in all possible circumstances which is what many PC gamers are arguing, I'd be buying this on release day anyway - I own every GTA title to date and haven't been disappointed with any of them.

That's the key point here, this individual publisher has never failed to deliver for me personally, I avoid pre-ordering in most instances due to having been burnt before e.g. Ubisoft, X-series, Total War, any MMO. However in my own personal experience Rockstar when releasing a GTA title will make a good show of it - do I expect a flawless game? Absolutely not, hecked I'd be shocked if the servers didn't go down for a few days due to some idiot group DDOSing them or simply due to load balancing issues, but the bottom line is that the game itself will most likely be fine.

Pre-order or not Rockstar get my cash regardless, I can understand people being against pre-order with Ubisoft or trying to discourage the increasingly common "early access" games which have seemingly replaced simple demos but doing so in a blanket "every publisher is garbage" way is simply pointless.

I'll pick who I pre-order from, I'll do it rarely and only from companies or individuals I trust or have a proven track record with - but this entire "WE MUST NOT PRE ORDER PC GAMERS" stuff is frankly childish especially when you look at some of the early access titles out there which are laughable poor.

Add Bully to list of shoddy rockstar pc ports. And the fact that the game has been delayed 4 times is a disappointment too.

Don't forget there is a first time for everything. There was a point when ubisoft, EA and activision used to make back to back good games. Now it is just dross. It is not a pleasant thought but it could happen to R*.

It is also possible that this port is far worse than everything we have seen from R* before. The day before release, or whenever the NDA is up, every news outlet might cry "Avoid at all costs, doesn't run at all" or something along those lines and those who were plan to buy on release will put their wallets away and walk off. But those who pre ordered will be stuck with 60GB of poop on their hard drives and money down the drain.

The flip side is that the port is amazing (I really really really hope it is) and we are told at midnight of launch about how great it is. Those with pre orders on steam will have preloaded and can play straight away, maybe R*SC players can too. Those who haven't will just buy a copy there and then and start downloading. On my connection I'd lose a day tops, most will have it by the following morning and there are always methods of acquiring game files before launch.

Plus the pre order bonuses are almost game breaking. Playing as Franklin who in the story is struggling to gather paper and making risky deals whereas he has $300,000 in his backpocket makes no sense.

PS. Early access is a whole nother can of worms. Long story short: it has to be judged on a game by game basis.
 
It's not common sense in all possible circumstances which is what many PC gamers are arguing, I'd be buying this on release day anyway - I own every GTA title to date and haven't been disappointed with any of them.

In fairness Halfmad it sounds to me like you're at least pre-ordering for the right reasons (i.e. very big fan of the series, believe the developer will deliver and have had good experiences with them in the past)... Not because of some tacked on pre-order/limited edition bonus content

Although if as you say "Rockstar will get my money either way" then by the same argument you could still wait until release day or even until initial impressions and reviews of the PC version come out before doing so... What if they game is so broken on release that you're waiting 3 months before you can properly start playing it anyway? If it's dropped in price by then you've paid extra for precisely nothing... (Of course everyone can spend their hard-earned however they choose, but it does still send a message to developers that all of us are happy to be jerked around and that we endorse this kind of practice continuing and going further in the future)
 
Unfortunately I'm such a hideous fan boy of the GTA series I'd want to play it regardless of what others say, even my trusted reviewers Angry Joe, Worthabuy and Totalbiscuit have let me down on occasion.

Total War series is probably the one I'm avoiding the most at the moment, I want Attila, think it's a big improvement on Rome 2 by the looks of it but still can't get over just how disappointing R2 was - and remains for me personally. I've tried it several times and find it utterly impossible to engage with it.

If GTA V flops on PC for whatever reason I'd more than likely avoid pre-order and early purchasing of the sixth installment - but I will give them the benefit of doubt as I think they've done a good job on the PS3 with GTA V so I'm pretty confident of a good game at release, although I do expect day one patches, everything seems to patch on release these days :(
 
Steam are offering $1m dollars of in game money if you pre-purchase GTAV.

But I feel pre-ordering and paying for DLC needs to stop. Microtransactions should have no place in any game and pre-ordering should be shunned, in my opinion.

Developers and publishers are getting away with murder time and time again because fools and their money are easily parted.

Bait and switch is nothing new, yet as a community why do we keep falling for it? Day one patches and DLC - why does the game need a day one patch? Because of shoddy QC that is why. Effectively you do the developers QC testing for them, but pay them for the privilege!! It is absurd.

I have simply stopped buying games now until they work properly and have been around a while.

Only by boycotting the currently accepted business models will we see any kind of change in the development and publishing of games. In 1999 I bought Quake 3. It still runs on my current PC that was built in 2014 (the only thing I needed to do was modify the config that comes with the game with some basic commands to make it display 1080p widescreen correctly).

So please, whoever is going to use the argument of the fast moving hardware market and multiple setup combinations and the time gap from going gold to release, and piracy yada, yada, yada - just no! All of those things existed in 1999, so there are no excuses.

If ID and Activision could put out a game in 1999 that still works fine after 15 years, they should be able to do it in 2015 with ease.

So why don't they?

Because they want more of your money for giving you less content. It is a rip off, and I wish people had the eyes to see it.
 
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Games are more fun when you have to earn your money.

Yep

One of my reservations about my pre order is the amount of cash being given away. it will lead to a bit of an unfair advantage.

However I do not regret my Pre order, it's bought now and no natter what happens in the next month n a bit, I have it.
 
It's not pcmasterrace circle jerking. It's common sense.

Why put money into a product of unknown quality when you can wait to find out the quality and then put money down. It's illogical.

GTA IV isn't too buggy but the performance is still diabolical. It drops to 30fps for no reason and in no way justifies it with how it looks. You cannot do the last mission unless you manually cap the framerate to 30 and there is horrible mouse acceleration and if aiming with a mouse you have no bullet spread. You are also locked out of certain graphics options unless the game recognises you GPU. Which it doesn't for anything after the 7970.

When you stop encouraging developers to ruin an industry I have a great passion for I will stop telling you how to spend your money.


This is the big problem for me too, performance on GTA IV was so bad I never even finished it and am not going back to it now, it's too late. But the fact is, last time they released a game that was broken on PC on release. It simply did not work properly, performance was absolutely appalling. If people are still having performance problems with it now, that says it all.

I hope they are using all this extra time to make it work properly, then it will almost certainly be a brilliant must-buy (after I've read the reviews and heard from at least three known trusted sources).
 
But the fact is, last time they released a game that was broken on PC on release. It simply did not work properly, performance was absolutely appalling. If people are still having performance problems with it now, that says it all.

I keep banging on about this, but the "last time" they released a game on PC was Max Payne 3 and that worked flawlessly.

Not only that, but it uses an earlier DX11 iteration of the engine powering GTA V and it still looks pretty good today.

I recently played a few levels at 4k resolution and the framerate was decent.
 
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