GTR Evolution

KnightStalker said:
This is supposed to be a race sim, I.E more focus on the physics rather than pretty graphics, the graphics dont play a big part in making the game what is, its the experience of controlling the cars to a somewhat acceptable level of realism in the way they handle and such, for example, your racing around the ring, where in that 10 minute lap are going to notice "oh no, HDR could make this look better"...if you do have that time, your probably not moving and need to swap games. Where as the likes of Grid is more a eye candy racer than a race sim.
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i bought a G25 because i love my PC racing games so i'd like to think im more serious about the feel than pretty gfx, your talking about a completely different thing.. not saying i want GRID style gfx but more the HDR(GTA) mod for rFactor ..

all simbim racers look the same so personally i'd like a little upgrade in how it looks is all im saying, afterall im pretty sure the 'feel' will be the same as their last few so its hardly too much hoping for a little eye candy added in the mix ..

in the end when its delivered and installed im sure ill have bags of fun regardless ...
 
The GTR games I have and Race (06) dont use starforce?

If publishers lost "THAT" much money, they would not use it. The facts are, they consider the benefits outweigh the losses.

For every legitimate person who complains about starforce, i'd say theyre are another 8 pirates. I have used starforce games for years and my system has never self destructed like others say it causes.
 
banja said:
That's not the point I was making. Self righteous keyboard warriors just irk me.
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It's the point I was making though. Call me self righteous, but I can't see a justification for owning a product without respecting the time that has gone into it. Yes some products are too expensive for what they are, but thats when market forces come into play and the price is either lowered or the company goes bust. Give me a good reason for piracy and I might change my stance, but until then I'll stick with my views.
 
x1m said:
It's the point I was making though. Call me self righteous, but I can't see a justification for owning a product without respecting the time that has gone into it. Yes some products are too expensive for what they are, but thats when market forces come into play and the price is either lowered or the company goes bust. Give me a good reason for piracy and I might change my stance, but until then I'll stick with my views.
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I don't condone piracy. Never said I did.

However, I find speeding more objectionable. At least piracy doesn't kill people. Ever broke the speed limit? The vehemence with which 'self righteous' folk attack piracy amuses me.
 
Thats a can of worms. Speeding doesn't kill people - excessive speed for the conditions does - as such the speed limit is a one number fits all and does not necessarily cover all conditions, in fact sometimes the speed limit is too high. Amazing how 71mph in this country is too fast yet is perfectly legal on the IOM.

Speeding does not usually lead to a victim, whereas piracy does deprive and therefore I can never see a justification for it - unless you can provide a situation where it is acceptable and victimless.

(Incidentally I wouldn't break anything under a 50mph limit, and only then if it was safe to do so, as I deemed suitable based on IAM training and certainly not in a dangerous, reckless or infringing manner).
 
x1m said:
Speeding does not usually lead to a victim, whereas piracy does deprive and therefore I can never see a justification for it - unless you can provide a situation where it is acceptable and victimless.
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Most people who pirate games had no intention of ever buying it anyway so i see no one being deprived.
 
x1m said:
Thats a can of worms. Speeding doesn't kill people - excessive speed for the conditions does - as such the speed limit is a one number fits all and does not necessarily cover all conditions, in fact sometimes the speed limit is too high. Amazing how 71mph in this country is too fast yet is perfectly legal on the IOM.

Speeding does not usually lead to a victim, whereas piracy does deprive and therefore I can never see a justification for it - unless you can provide a situation where it is acceptable and victimless.

(Incidentally I wouldn't break anything under a 50mph limit, and only then if it was safe to do so, as I deemed suitable based on IAM training and certainly not in a dangerous, reckless or infringing manner).
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You can argue that piracy does not usually lead to a victim. A large number of pirated games are downloaded by people who wouldn't have bought them anyway. (Edit - poster above beat me to it!)

There is a theory that piracy in music has actually increased revenues for musicians due to increased exposure. It's the fat cats who 'suffer' mostly.

Speeding does kill people. Haven't you seen the adverts?
 
Fair enough point about not buying leading to no victim, however I don't think that still makes it acceptable. It's at this point you probably start questioning why it occurs then and that will go round in circles until the middle of the next decade.
 
x1m said:
Fair enough point about not buying leading to no victim, however I don't think that still makes it acceptable. It's at this point you probably start questioning why it occurs then and that will go round in circles until the middle of the next decade.
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I think it's obvious why it occurs isn't it? Damned credit crunch! It's clearly the energy companies' fault. This winter I'll have no money to go out cos my gas bill will be so high. I'll need to pass the cold winter nights watching movies instead, except I can't afford them . . .

I don't think (large scale organised) piracy is acceptable. Copying a game / movie / album and selling it is counterfeiting and theft. But it's a fact of life atm and I doubt it will ever go away.

Downloading an album via filesharing which I would never have bought is a different thing. If they figure out a way to stop such a thing I won't care. Will that ever be possible though? If I can hear it coming out of my speakers then it can be captured. The record companies are being forced to recognise this fact and will hopefully try to find away to tackle it in a positive way.

There is a line between piracy and filesharing. One can lead to / contribute to the other but they are not the same thing. A warning before a movie I rent telling me that a movie I download 'illegally' is funding terrorism is just laughable. If only the warning wasn't removed from the illegally downloaded, terrorist funding version the kids might get the message.

I hope the fat guys in charge of the intellectual copywrite of artists sort it all out. Will we ever go back to the good old days of recording artists receiving 11p out of every £10 for each CD sold?? I don't know. Eventually something will happen. Although I'm not sure the movie industry will fare so well until the current generation of purse string holders are all dead - I doubt most of them understand the age of new media too well.
 
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NightSt@lk3r said:
Most people who pirate games had no intention of ever buying it anyway so i see no one being deprived.
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Some of them, like me, download the game, then buy it if it's good. Bought ALL the simbin games I originally downloaded, and based on that reputation, bought race07 and will be buying Evolution.
My GTL sits in it's box, as I prefer the cracked version to having my DAW infected with starfarce.

DiRT and Grid on the other hand, LOL, from net to recycle bin in a matter of hours (So dire in fact, that the free Dirt I cadged off a mate (it was bundled with something in a system I built for him, and he said "I hate driving games", and despite me telling him, he would then LOVE Dirt, he told me to keep it), currently sits, unwanted and uninstalled in a drawer.
People can gurn about piracy all the want, but if you buy a toaster that wont toast bread, you take it back for a refund.....now picture this....
"Hi, I just bought this driving game, but it seems to be an FPS engine tweaked to similuate broken hovercraft, here it is, can I have my £40 back please?"
"Certainly sir, we are very sorry for your trouble".

Pure fantasy.

(oh, and keep comments about reading the work of bribed reviewers, or trying the demo with the intsance installer that leaves your system crippled to yourself).

Never had a problem handing over the readies for a good product, but always had a teeny issue with spending a fat wad on something terrible where the retailer laughs their head off once you leave, knowing you can't bring it back.

In fact, I was off work for a LONG time with a really nasty disease (that's now mostly gone away), and downloaded a few games to stay sane.....I made a point of buying each and every single one of them the minute I got back to work. Having had no money at the time, I could not possibly have bought them, therefor no sale was lost, had I not had them to play, I'd never have ultimately bought them....so there's a 100% true example of piracy GENERATING sales.....where's my sticker on a game box then?
 
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