GTX 1060

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:15

Gregster said:
Ok, I will ask you one simple question (which will answer all those questions you have just asked).....

Does Maxwell work in DX12 games?

I am playing Doom currently and my GTX960 4GB performs worse under Vulkan than under OpenGL. My mates ancient HD7870XT(which is a slower card),just got a nice performance boost under Vulkan,which surprised me as that is an old card.

Edit!!

Yet at the beginning of the year,Nvidia was saying how great Vulkan was:

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/02/16/vulkan-graphics-api/

It all seems a bit weird.

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:23

humbug said:
Its A-Sync not DX12 Nvidia promised, no it doesn't.

He asked me several questions about DX12 and followed those with "Now please tell me how Nvidia haven't Dx12 drivers ready yet?"

Where does he ask about ASync in that? Or any of those questions but feel free to think for him.

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I am playing Doom currently and my GTX960 4GB performs worse under Vulkan than under OpenGL. My mates ancient HD7870XT(which is a slower card),just got a nice performance boost under Vulkan,which surprised me as that is an old card.

Edit!!

Yet at the beginning of the year,Nvidia was saying how great Vulkan was:

https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/2016/02/16/vulkan-graphics-api/

Hey, take it up with NVidia - I don't work for them and I, like you have to buy my hardware.

humbug · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:28

Gregster said:
He asked me several questions about DX12 and followed those with "Now please tell me how Nvidia haven't Dx12 drivers ready yet?"

Where does he ask about ASync in that? Or any of those questions but feel free to think for him.

I'm sure thats what he meant, now at least he know what to ask.

sqwerty · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:32

Gregster said:
Does Maxwell work in DX12 games?

humbug said:
no it doesn't.

It does, but it has to do so without any driver "optimisations" it could use under DX11 and without the A-Sync Nvidia was touting as it supporting from launch:

windows-10-launch-directx-12-advanced-api-support-640px.png

But then backtracked and said it needed to be implemented in a driver.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:32

Gregster said:
Hey, take it up with NVidia - I don't work for them and I, like you have to buy my hardware.

Thats the thing,does Pascal get a boost under Vulkan?? Because I can understand the console affect with DX12 somewhat helping out AMD in certain titles,but AFAIK considering Nvidia has more say in the Khronos Group(believe the main chap actually works for Nvidia too!),I was half expecting them to get better Vulkan performance before AMD did!!

Its all a bit weird IMHO.

Having said that BOTH my GTX660 and GTX960 were well under £150,so even with a weaker pound,the current pricing is starting to look rather meh for the RX480 and GTX1060.

Might have to wait for some Black Friday offers.

humbug · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:35

sqwerty said:
It does, but it has to do so without any driver "optimisations" it could use under DX11 and without the A-Sync Nvidia was touting as it supporting from launch:

But then backtracked and said it needed to be implemented in a driver.

So it doesn't, if its not switched its not working, they lied.

"oh yeah it works, but were not turning it on now" pfft....

weyland yutani · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:39

Thinking of getting one of these. Why are the EVGA cards so small? Are they designed for micro atx or small form factor cases?

Also, do these cards work with bog standard DVI (not familiar with all the extra initial versions) and is HDMI2.0 backwards compatible with old hdmi displays?

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:41

humbug said:
So it doesn't, if its not switched its not working, they lied.

"oh yeah it works, but were not turning it on now" pfft....

AMD have done the same thing. Does AMD do Conservative Rasterization? Does AMD do Rasterized Ordered Views?

These are also key parts of DX12 and will be things we will see down the road. Everyone is putting so much stock into Async but ignoring these other basic DX12 components.

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:44

weyland yutani said:
Thinking of getting one of these. Why are the EVGA cards so small? Are they designed for micro atx or small form factor cases?

Also, do these cards work with bog standard DVI (not familiar with all the extra initial versions) and is HDMI2.0 backwards compatible with old hdmi displays?

They don't require much power (very little in fact) and so needs very little cooling. Great cards for ITX/Mini ITX cases but will work just as well in any case.

DVI will work and HDMI 2.0 will work with your monitor/TV

weyland yutani · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:47

Cool thanks. Do these smaller cards perform just as well as others at standard clocks? I assume less power doesn't give much if any oc potential.

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:48

weyland yutani said:
Cool thanks. Do these smaller cards perform just as well as others at standard clocks? I assume less power doesn't give much if any oc potential.

Looking at reviews, they all seem to be on a roughly even keel and chip dependent on OC potential really. Go for what suits the budget best I would say and comes with a decent warranty.

humbug · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:50

Gregster said:
AMD have done the same thing. Does AMD do Conservative Rasterization? Does AMD do Rasterized Ordered Views?

These are also key parts of DX12 and will be things we will see down the road. Everyone is putting so much stock into Async but ignoring these other basic DX12 components.

I don't know that AMD did ever say it does those things or that it infact doesn't, no one is looking at Conservative Rasterization and if GCN doesn't support it very few ever will given GCN is the default architecture for anyone also wanting to develop their games for consoles.

But i'm not asking about that anyway, i'm asking about Nvidia holding to their promises.

Your detracting attention away from Nvidia and trying to make it about AMD. I have an Nvidia GPU, not AMD, they do not come into it.

weyland yutani · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:50

UK returns is what drew me to EVGA but never used a dainty little card before ha. Wasn't there one brand giving 5 years warranty on the 1070s?

edit: Zotac have 5 years, not very familiar with the brand though. Dont fancy sending a card to China if it claps out.

sqwerty · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:52

humbug said:
I don't know that AMD did ever say it does those things or that it infact doesn't, no one is looking at Conservative Rasterization.....

They didn't. It was added later as part of 12.1 and afaik has yet to be used in anything other than a rather unimpressive tech demo.

sqwerty · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:52

weyland yutani said:
UK returns is what drew me to EVGA but never used a dainty little card before ha. Wasn't there one brand giving 5 years warranty on the 1070s?

Zotac

Gregster · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:53

weyland yutani said:
UK returns is what drew me to EVGA but never used a dainty little card before ha. Wasn't there one brand giving 5 years warranty on the 1070s?

Zotac have the 5 year warranty. There is a nice MSI card (good warranty for £239 and that is what I would be buying if I was after one of these.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32s-ms.html

Good warranty and UK RMA if you ever need it.

akarypid · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:54

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Thats the thing,does Pascal get a boost under Vulkan?? Because I can understand the console affect with DX12 somewhat helping out AMD in certain titles,but AFAIK considering Nvidia has more say in the Khronos Group(believe the main chap actually works for Nvidia too!),I was half expecting them to get better Vulkan performance before AMD did!!

Not exactly. Doom didn't just go multi-engine and carve out a GCN rendering path over Vulkan: it also brought along a lot more console baggage such as async shader utilisation and shader intrinsic functions (which they used extensively on PS4 tweeted by their devs). So there's stuff under the hood that is AMD-only. If they hadn't done that, you wouldn't have seen such a crazy jump purely on account of using Vulkan.

The thing is, it's now the best example of what can be achieved with GCN. It's also a game engine that lots of studios will look towards for building their games, so here's to hoping we get more of this.

They are now working to optimise for NVidia, though I doubt they can get anywhere near GCN.

weyland yutani · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:56

Gregster said:
Zotac have the 5 year warranty. There is a nice MSI card (good warranty for £239 and that is what I would be buying if I was after one of these.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...ddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32s-ms.html

Good warranty and UK RMA if you ever need it.

woo MSI have UK RMA now? I've had a couple of their cards in the past and they were very good had no issues with them. Cheers.

I'm assuming DL-DVI is one output that can go to two monitors, but just one regular dvi display should work fine?

humbug · 19 Jul 2016 at 23:57

sqwerty said:
They didn't. It was added later as part of 12.1 and afaik has yet to be used in anything other than a rather unimpressive tech demo.

IMO If it offers nothing to help development for consoles it never will, that is unless Nvidia see a benefit to them in ploughing recourse into the odd sponsored game title here and there