GTX 1070 - any takers?

[DarrenM343]

Lets be clear pricing of 1070 and 1080 is a joke. Whoever thinks it is either new to the graphics card game, isn't familiar with "monopoly" term or have not analised previous releases and where they stand in the product portfolio.

There is another thread that I stareted that is discussing pricing of 1080/1070 "£700 for gtx 1080 (aka new 980) - ehmmm..no thank you!"

Basically nvidia released mid tier 1080 and priced it higher than the high end card just because they can. And yes of course its (marginaly) faster than anything else, what did you expect? slower? that's the way it is with the technology these days. That's not the point.

Dude, that's all just your opinion. I disagree with much of it. What about previous releases? What about previous high end-- previous high end is not current high end. I get what you're saying though but it is what it is dude .
I'd laugh if Nvidia actually take a lot longer this time to release the next faster card - that would blow your argument a little out of the water because where the card sits in the lineup also has a relationship to time periods, and being the same as previous releases (same intervals as before?). If the TX/Ti comes at Christmas(or later), the 1080 will have a long run at the top vs the 980 so naturally would have a higher price tag.

Try lookig at things from outside the self-focused "being a consumer" world and from a busienss perspective.

Balanced thoughts & views come better from looking at things from various perspectives not just the one that suits you best, and that applies to everything in life.

 

[Raikiri]

Lets be clear pricing of 1070 and 1080 is a joke. Whoever thinks it is either new to the graphics card game, isn't familiar with "monopoly" term or have not analised previous releases and where they stand in the product portfolio.

The price is high, but it's because there just isn't any competition. As for being new... first card I bought was the 9800, that's the ATi 9800

There is another thread that I stareted that is discussing pricing of 1080/1070 "£700 for gtx 1080 (aka new 980) - ehmmm..no thank you!"

But most aren't, you can get it for £520, I've seen an aftermarket Gigabyte one for £560 with a much better cooler.

Basically nvidia released mid tier 1080 and priced it higher than the high end card just because they can. And yes of course its (marginaly) faster than anything else, what did you expect? slower? that's the way it is with the technology these days. That's not the point.

The 1080 is not mid range. The 980 wasn't mid range. The 960 was nVidia's mid range card and the 1060 will be this year.

Personally, I will be happy with MSI/Asus anything below £400 not because I think it a fair price but because I come into terms with Nvidia's monopoly and arising from this rip off and disrespectfull practises. If there was a serious competition I would ditch nvidia in the blink of an eye.

They will be below £400. The FE is below £400 (just).

 

[Jono8]

Personally, I will be happy with MSI/Asus anything below £400 not because I think it a fair price but because I come into terms with Nvidia's monopoly and arising from this rip off and disrespectfull practises. If there was a serious competition I would ditch nvidia in the blink of an eye.

You will no doubt be able to get decent cooler versions for ~£350, possibly even a bit less. The strix will likely be over £400 because ASUS .

 

[bakes0310]

Why would you get two instead of just a single 1080?

I'd guess because a single 1080 wont give him the fps he is after

What triss said basically. I actually need to look up some reviews to see what sort of fps ill get with 2 1070 and 1 1080 and go from there.

 

[.Trooper.]

I mean skywalker is kind of right. We're obviously dealing with a monopoly here. I don't think the price of the 1070 is great but we're basically looking for the best bang for buck card possible which still provides the power we want - that doesn't necessarily mean we're happy about the price... Just means we're willing to accept it, I guess

 

[Raikiri]

I mean skywalker is kind of right. We're obviously dealing with a monopoly here. I don't think the price of the 1070 is great but we're basically looking for the best bang for buck card possible which still provides the power we want - that doesn't necessarily mean we're happy about the price... Just means we're willing to accept it, I guess

Kind of, but if he weren't so OTT about it, making silly claims like the 1080 costing £700 etc. People would be much more inclined to listen.

They do have a monopoly and they are expensive, but unless AMD start competing what are you going to do?

 

[skywalker909]

The 1080 is not mid range. The 980 wasn't mid range. The 960 was nVidia's mid range card and the 1060 will be this year.

1080 is mid range just as 980 and 970 was and 670 and 680 before that.
It's been discussed on numerous ocassions in the recent past.
Yes it's faster (just) than any available card at the moment but it does NOT make it high end in the card line up.

 

[DarrenM343]

It was confirmed a while ago that the FE RRP will remain the same indefinitely, at least in the US anyway.

Missed this earlier, I suspect that's just marketing or hearsay. I very much doubt Nvidia would decide this at this point unless they have total confidence in their view of the shape of the market in x months time (competition,demand for the 1080 when new products released).
Companies don't want announce they will drop the price in x months time.
I suspect it will happen though although having said that Nvidia pricing seems to remain stable during the lifecyle of a range of cards

 

[Raikiri]

1080 is mid range just as 980 and 970 was and 670 and 680 before that.
It's been discussed on numerous ocassions in the past.
Yes it's faster (just) than any available card at the moment but it does NOT make it high end in the card line up.

Current product line up:

Low end:
210
710
730

Mid Range:
750Ti
950
960

High End:
970
980
980Ti
Titan

Are you honestly trying to say that anything less than 980 (1080) is a low end card?

 

[skywalker909]

But most aren't, you can get it for £520, I've seen an aftermarket Gigabyte one for £560 with a much better cooler.

You are completely missing the point.
Do you really want crappy clowns edition 1080 for £520?! I don't.
Decent card e.g. MSI gtx 1080 costs £650. £700 isn't far off.

But that's not the point. Point of the other thread was massive price increase for x70 and x80 cards. E.g. MSI 970 was £280 when released but MSI 1070 wll be most likely £400. That's whooping £120 more. Even worse for 1080, with £220 price increase.

 

[Legend]

Does anyone know if the AIB 1070's are the same physical length, less or more than the ref 980?

 

[skywalker909]

Current product line up:

Low end:
210
710
730

Mid Range:
750Ti
950
960

High End:
970
980
980Ti
Titan

Are you honestly trying to say that anything less than 980 (1080) is a low end card?

As I said it's been discussed somewhere in depth.

x70/x80 are NOT high end cards. A high price tag (this year) does not make them high end. Common misconception.

 

[Raikiri]

As I said it's been discussed somewhere in depth.

x70/x80 are NOT high end cards. A high price tag (this year) does not make them high end. Common misconception.

Again, you are completely ignoring my point. The price is irrelevant. The 570/580 were high end, the 670/680 were high end and so on.

It's like saying a Ferrari 599 isn't a high end car because the Veyron is a little bit quicker, it's ridiculous.

But that's not the point. Point of the other thread was massive price increase for x70 and x80 cards. E.g. MSI 970 was £280 when released but MSI 1070 wll be most likely £400. That's whooping £120 more. Even worse for 1080, with £220 price increase.

But you will be able to get an aftermarket one with a good cooler for £350. The founders edition is ridiculous, yes... but it's not representative of the card. Prices go up, inflation happens.

I wish they were cheaper but with no competition in the high end (which they are), there's precisely jack **** we can do about it.

 

[skywalker909]

Again, you are completely ignoring my point. The price is irrelevant. The 570/580 were high end, the 670/680 were high end and so on.

It's like saying a Ferrari 599 isn't a high end car because the Veyron is a little bit quicker, it's ridiculous.

can we stop this ridiculous car analogy. It does not work with graphic cards

I'm guessing that you don't have 980ti (high end card), if you did you would probably me more informed on high end front. Ask any 980ti owner if he thinks that 1080 is a high end card and if they want to move on to 1080. I doubt it. Increase in fps is marginal.

Nvidia is very clever in their pricing and marketing.

 

[harney]

As long as they realise what they are doing is damaging on the whole. The main argument against the merits of PC gaming for years has been that the components have a short life span and are overpriced and the pricing of these cards play right into that argument.

Now that i agree with ...

 

[triss]

can we stop this ridiculous car analogy. It does not work with graphic cards

I'm guessing that you don't have 980ti (high end card), if you did you would probably me more informed on high end front. Ask any 980ti owner if he thinks that 1080 is a high end card and if they want to move on to 1080. I doubt it. Increase in fps is marginal.

Nvidia is very clever in their pricing and marketing.

Seems a few 980ti owners here have indeed sold their 980ti and moved onto 1080.

Whats the fastest current gaming gpu atm from nvidia? Thats what the top end is atm , To say a slower card is above what your calling mid/low range is silly

 

[skywalker909]

Now that i agree with ...

Yup

Titan series was their way of checking out how far they can go.

Now they will have x70, x80, x80ti and titan cards with a high price tag.

 

[DarrenM343]

Current product line up:

Low end:
210
710
730

Mid Range:
750Ti
950
960

High End:
970
980
980Ti
Titan

Are you honestly trying to say that anything less than 980 (1080) is a low end card?

People just class cards differently. There's no set classification.
I tend to class with Top End, Medium-High, Medium, Medium Low, then low end. Only the TX of the last range was Top End. The Ti was Upper medium, 980 Medium, 970 Lower Medium. Then the cards below that low end (960 - 940 or whatever existed in the 9xx series).
By low end I mean low end for gaming. I have a 730 GT that is not really in any of these as I would never think of trying to use it for gaming - it's not a gaming card (IMO) and is also not of he same generation.

I'd never put a 970 in the top end - even on pricing alone it was what nearly a third of the price of the top card.

i know the Ti was only 8-10% slow than the TX but it was still slower and had other compromises (50% of the memory) which takes it out of the no compromises top end classification in my opinion

If history repeats its self, and it may not, then the 1080 will probably end up slap bang in the middle of my medium range- EVENTUALLy when/if new cards appear in the same 10series range

 

[Raikiri]

can we stop this ridiculous car analogy. It does not work with graphic cards ...

I'm guessing that you don't have 980ti (high end card), if you did you would probably me more informed on high end front.

Being condescending doesn't make you correct.

Being nVidia though...

 

[harney]

You are completely missing the point.
Do you really want crappy clowns edition 1080 for £520?! I don't.
Decent card e.g. MSI gtx 1080 costs £650. £700 isn't far off.

But that's not the point. Point of the other thread was massive price increase for x70 and x80 cards. E.g. MSI 970 was £280 when released but MSI 1070 wll be most likely £400. That's whooping £120 more. Even worse for 1080, with £220 price increase.

Yes the whole reason for the FE was to increase the price in the 1st place

So nvidia take the blow for the hike and then the partners look good to the consumers coming in at there so called lower price but in fact its an increase most consumers fall for that sales trick either way its all a price increase PERIOD