GTX 970 returns ????

[timbo2410]

just to clarify i bought these cards on advice from good people on the forums (and as the person who clicked "buy") i dont blame them. the cards work fine at lower resolution on my 24inch 1920x1240 screen. but that is not the issue. i bought the cards to get me over the 1440 hump and beyond with a 27 inch monitor as a minimum. it was while looking at the monitors that i found there were issues with doing this. now even if i do manage to have the cards taken back i've still got a lot of money to hand over to move up to a pair of 980's AND then have to pay for a couple of monitors. if something is not as it is decribed on the box then i think it's the customer that has been screwed over at the very least. it should have nothing to do with amd vs nvidia or who said what in reviews or comments. fact is .. it is not what the manufacturers said it was and to me that is not good enough end of.

 

[Marine-RX179]

if something is not as it is decribed on the box then i think it's the customer that has been screwed over at the very least. it should have nothing to do with amd vs nvidia or who said what in reviews or comments. fact is .. it is not what the manufacturers said it was and to me that is not good enough end of.

I'm afraid you are not gonna get anywhere with this point. Too many people still doesn't get it...it is not only about if people having issue because of vram or not, but about the product being falsely advertised. However everytime someone point that out, there are always people jumping out to defend Nvidia saying "the card HAS 4GB memory, so Nvidia has done nothing wrong and is not false adverting the card as 4GB", despite what it really should have said on the box is 3.5GB GDDR5 memory with 224bit memory bus, and then 512MB cache with 32bit memory bus under specification...

Honestly though the vram issue itself most people have chose to move on from, and the lesser it get mentioned the better. But I still find it ridiculous that Nvidia is STILL advertising the 970 that are still on the shelf which they are selling as 4GB...

 

[NirK]

Fair enough, I was running 1600p60 then 1440p144 on the AMD cards.

The biggest issue was the sheer amount of heat and noise generated. The mrs used to moan that she couldn't hear hollyoaks.... (I cared less as I had headphones..)

You were doing here a favor, hollyoaks is ****

 

[timbo2410]

and thats the issue, they advertise 4k gaming and ultra resolution but when pushed there are severe problems. if i go ahead and buy a 4k monitor and use it as it was intended and i do have isssues then what do i do then? i see there are class actions by pc world underway and several more in the states ... wow is the problem that extensive?

 

[Skynet5]

4k gaming at decent framerates just isnt there yet. Marketing hyperbole on the 970 at the time.

 

[eyetrip]

Did you not watch my review? I was playing all the games that were supposed to have the issues and nothing. I can't report faults when there wasn't any and frankly I am getting sick to death of people who keep on about brand defending when they do the self themselves. I have given positive reports on NVidia and AMD but unless I am rubbishing NVidia, I get jumped on. Enough already please.

What YOU do you own?

Well, I had two, and I had problems.

Maybe great in single, or at 1080p, but had plenty stuttering.

Just because it 'worked for you' doesn't mean everybody had the same experience.

So there no point in getting fed up. You are not all people.

Still though, in hindsight, I wish I had moved to 980's instead of 290x's.

 

[Gregster]

I am sorry gregster, but just because you did not have an issue, that does not mean the card is flawless. In your experience and review it was, and I believe that to be true, not like by saying it is not that it means I am calling I am a liar.

You said the 970 was a flawless card, it is not. If it was, it would have been 64 rops as advertised and full 4gb without the potential in limited cases to slow down. I do not think I am being unfair for pointing that out. Had you said in my limited experience with the card, it was flawless, I would not have said anything for example.

You say jumped on, show me where I did that? Enough of what exactly? You make it sound like I am going out of my way to post in every thread about the 970.

As for brand defending, where am I defending AMD? I mean, it is okay for gregster to use a 970 a couple of days and call it flawless and for me to use and amd product for over a year since I was on nvidia and not be able to say there is little wrong with amd drivers on single cards?

If you look at the amd drivers thread you will see how I have shown dissatisfaction at the lack of amd driver updates and pointed out on many occasions that sli is better than crossfire when it comes to multiple cards from what I can see. Also now that I have a 295x2 which I got for a very good price I mentioned yesterday in my impression of the card that crossfire is not perfect and that amd need to work on crossfire drivers.

Yet I am defending amd? Come on gregster...

Right, first I asked the OP what problems he was seeing (if any) or was he going on the threads/news about the 970 and VRAM problems? I also state "My 970 works flawless", so I tend to go with what I find and not what others find. Had I found any issues, I would have reported it but I didn't and seeing that I didn't need to change any settings or fiddle with any files, I take this as "My 970 works flawless"

You contradict yourself by going with what I said and then disagreeing with what I said (first paragraph agree's, second paragraph doesn't) so I am not sure what I should say really. I do try to be as honest as possible, A couple of threads recently have asked about going SLI and I have said it wasn't good for me (microstutter). I have moaned about the drivers for users, I have moaned about the 3D support, so I do kick off when NVidia are wrong.

As for brand defending, you are picking out someone who didn't have an issue and deflecting.

Flawless? Come on gregster...

It boggles the mind why people go out of their way to defend nvidia on this.

I am not defending anything except my own experience. Does that make me wrong?

It should be clear as day and night that nvidia lied about the specs and quite a few people experienced issues due to the vram issue.

I berated NVidia for not getting the specs right but again, I can only go on my experience and thorough testing.

If it was a non issue, so many people like the op would not be returning the cards?

This is why I asked the OP what problems he was seeing. I have seen people return cards because of what others have said, even though they didn't have any problems.

This is why I accuse you of brand defending, as you are also going on the attack of someone who didn't have an issue and attempting to discredit their findings because someone on the internetz you read up on did. This is typical behaviour of someone brand defending. At least I admit I am a fanboy and don't try to hide my fanboyism's.

This is why I am sick to death of people jumping on me.

A shame the OP didn't respond to my question though It would be good to know if he is getting problems.

 

[TNA]

Right, first I asked the OP what problems he was seeing (if any) or was he going on the threads/news about the 970 and VRAM problems? I also state "My 970 works flawless", so I tend to go with what I find and not what others find. Had I found any issues, I would have reported it but I didn't and seeing that I didn't need to change any settings or fiddle with any files, I take this as "My 970 works flawless"

You contradict yourself by going with what I said and then disagreeing with what I said (first paragraph agree's, second paragraph doesn't) so I am not sure what I should say really. I do try to be as honest as possible, A couple of threads recently have asked about going SLI and I have said it wasn't good for me (microstutter). I have moaned about the drivers for users, I have moaned about the 3D support, so I do kick off when NVidia are wrong.

As for brand defending, you are picking out someone who didn't have an issue and deflecting.



I am not defending anything except my own experience. Does that make me wrong?



I berated NVidia for not getting the specs right but again, I can only go on my experience and thorough testing.



This is why I asked the OP what problems he was seeing. I have seen people return cards because of what others have said, even though they didn't have any problems.

This is why I accuse you of brand defending, as you are also going on the attack of someone who didn't have an issue and attempting to discredit their findings because someone on the internetz you read up on did. This is typical behaviour of someone brand defending. At least I admit I am a fanboy and don't try to hide my fanboyism's.

This is why I am sick to death of people jumping on me.

A shame the OP didn't respond to my question though It would be good to know if he is getting problems.

Good morning Gregster

Won't lie, I read it as you were trying to say the 970 is flawless, rather than your experience with the 970 flawless.

Now, what you need to understand is I am not calling you out for being dishonest. I will stick with my original point however. I can't imagine you used the 970 extensively or in SLI, not only that, you are missing my whole point which I cannot see how one would argue as it is proven the card was falsely advertised. Why is it you get upset for me saying this? It is the truth and clearly the OP is upset by this so it is very relevant to discuss here in his thread.

Still don't see what I said was "jumping on you", sorry you feel that way. Neither do I see where I am brand defending.

For some reason you got sensitive about the issue and jumped on me! lol

Well, I had two, and I had problems.

Maybe great in single, or at 1080p, but had plenty stuttering.

Just because it 'worked for you' doesn't mean everybody had the same experience.

So there no point in getting fed up. You are not all people.

Still though, in hindsight, I wish I had moved to 980's instead of 290x's.

As you can see, here is one individual who clearly had issues and he makes a great point.

 

[Ecliptica78]

I kept hold of my 970's as well. Was in two minds and sure I do often think the VRAM issue may come back to haunt me at some point but as of now I am more than happy I kept them.

I have had no issues at all either. I am only gaming at 1080p but I'd be comfortable buying a 1440p Gsync while using these cards in SLI.

So far they have worked beautifully and I'm getting zero stutter. Likewise I can't speak for everybody and my experience may not be mirrored by other 970 owners but I for one am still delighted to own these cards despite the controversy surrounding them.

 

[Gregster]

Good morning Gregster

Won't lie, I read it as you were trying to say the 970 is flawless, rather than your experience with the 970 flawless.

Now, what you need to understand is I am not calling you out for being dishonest. I will stick with my original point however. I can't imagine you used the 970 extensively or in SLI, not only that, you are missing my whole point which I cannot see how one would argue as it is proven the card was falsely advertised. Why is it you get upset for me saying this? It is the truth and clearly the OP is upset by this so it is very relevant to discuss here in his thread.

Still don't see what I said was "jumping on you", sorry you feel that way. Neither do I see where I am brand defending.

For some reason you got sensitive about the issue and jumped on me! lol



As you can see, here is one individual who clearly had issues and he makes a great point.

I remember Eyetrip having problems and I seriously sympathised and would have swapped out had I had the same in truth. And you are quite correct, I haven't tried it for prolonged periods and 3 full days testing was what I did. As for SLI, I hate it at the mo as I had issues with Titans and Titan Xs where microstutter was driving me nuts in several games and have voiced my opinion on that.

I will also apologise if I seemed to be singling you out but I have had a lot of people jumping on me lately for anything I say and I was so tired after doing a 12 hour shift and 19 days straight at work I have broad shoulders as a rule but I was a little short fused last night (I should have just gone and got smashed)

Anyways, regardless of anything, I feel the OP is stuffed and unless he is within his DSR period and having issues with faulty cards, I can't see his getting his money back

 

[blasterbolt]

Well I sent mine back thanks to OC's amazing service. I game at 1440p and the only time I actually had a problem was with shaodws of mordor when it did go over the 3.5 it started to stutter like crazy .

Apart from SOM all the other games ran smooth as butter, I never noticed any micro stutter or anything like that. I still think they are a really great card for the price but I do agree that the fact they are advertising it as a 4 gb card could be classed as misleading.

I am suprised no one has reported them to tradeing standards in the UK tbh after the amount of people not been happy on the forums. Also I do remember Gibbo saying that the 970's are a middle of the lane card and OCUK would never of recommened them for 4k gaming.

As for larger monitors then the Swift I dont think they will have the power. My 2 MSI 970's got BF4 to about 60-70 fps all maxed with mssax4 at 1440p.My kaf 2 980's are hitting 95-110.Just a comparison of the 2 sets of cards I have for you

 

[TNA]

I remember Eyetrip having problems and I seriously sympathised and would have swapped out had I had the same in truth. And you are quite correct, I haven't tried it for prolonged periods and 3 full days testing was what I did. As for SLI, I hate it at the mo as I had issues with Titans and Titan Xs where microstutter was driving me nuts in several games and have voiced my opinion on that.

I will also apologise if I seemed to be singling you out but I have had a lot of people jumping on me lately for anything I say and I was so tired after doing a 12 hour shift and 19 days straight at work I have broad shoulders as a rule but I was a little short fused last night (I should have just gone and got smashed)

Anyways, regardless of anything, I feel the OP is stuffed and unless he is within his DSR period and having issues with faulty cards, I can't see his getting his money back

No problem dude. I can understand that

I have only had my 295x2 for less than a week and still think single GPU is the way. But at £340 I am very happy with my purchase. It is better at 4k than a 980 and its watercooled (under 60c) with the ability to double up in crossfire in some games, what's not to like? But had I decided to purchase it on release (£1000 was it?) I would have felt very disapointed. Not because of the hardware, but because AMD need to work harder on crossfire drivers in my opinion. But single GPU drivers in my experience have been "flawless"

Hope OP gets his money back though. Good luck mate.

 

[mahius]

Even with the 0.5gb issue, the 970 is still a great performing card. The sheer number of sales and content users speak for themselves. The lower memory should be an issue at resolutions higher than 1080p, but in some games like GTAV, it's either better or trading blows with the 290x at such resolutions. Need a card for 1080p, 970has you covered.

All that said, the issue is when more than 3.5gb VRAM is being used. Framerate drops significantly, so I understand why folks are upset. If you're considering 1440p+ or the games you play use more than 3.5gb VRAM then look elsewhere. I'd buy a 970, but 1440p potential has me looking elsewhere or considering upgrading to Pascal down the line for something more longterm. But right now I have a 1080p monitor, so a 970 will be fine. Unless AMD manages to pull something out of the bag to convince me there's something better than a 970 for my money.

 

[D1craig]

If I knew about these AIO cooler and my card not being compatibility with any of them I would have sent my card back and got one that is compatible when OCUK gave a date you had to return them by.

I do still think it's irresponsible and misleading to have not changed any of the info that is shown for these cards from day one. Not one bit has changed. Still 4k cards with 4GB of ram.

If you bought the card with a credit card you will have no problem sending it back I assume. Any disputes and credit cards sort them out.

And the prices have increased a lot lol. My card was £260 now it's near £300.

 

[tommybhoy]

Right, first I asked the OP what problems he was seeing (if any) or was he going on the threads/news about the 970 and VRAM problems? I also state "My 970 works flawless", so I tend to go with what I find and not what others find. Had I found any issues, I would have reported it but I didn't and seeing that I didn't need to change any settings or fiddle with any files, I take this as "My 970 works flawless"

Running Gsync is going to cover some cracks, I already pointed out your review vid had stutters in SOM=it wasn't flawless, but I don't think you can see them, eyesight perhaps?, idk.

4Gb 290X has stutters in SOM too, but nowhere near the same as a 970, imo it's down to ramgate as they both perform very similarly across the board.

BUT, saying that I'd highly recommend the 970 it's a cracking card-even though Nvidia isn't throwing loads of game codes at me for saying so.

 

[Gregster]

Running Gsync is going to cover some cracks, I already pointed out your review vid had stutters in SOM=it wasn't flawless, but I don't think you can see them, eyesight perhaps?, idk.

4Gb 290X has stutters in SOM too, but nowhere near the same as a 970, imo it's down to ramgate as they both perform very similarly across the board.

BUT, saying that I'd highly recommend the 970 it's a cracking card-even though Nvidia isn't throwing loads of game codes at me for saying so.

There was no stutter when I played SOM and youtube does what youtube does and that is that. I see stutter when I was SLI, so no, it isn't me eyesight.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I remember people posting mantle videos saying it was smoother and I could see stutter in the video. It always makes it more apparent when you're watching a recording.

As for OP do you have any issues atm or are you just worried about future issues because of what you've read?

 

[tommybhoy]

Again-Gsync, I see loads more playing it like for like-without using youtube, FreeSync masked the stutter, that's the point and that's why I'm offering a possible explanation to why you perhaps never noticed.

 

[Gregster]

Again-Gsync, I see loads more playing it like for like-without using youtube, FreeSync masked the stutter, that's the point and that's why I'm offering a possible explanation to why you perhaps never noticed.

So why could I see it with SLI but not a single card? I was running G-Sync on both btw. I am extremely susceptible to stutter and you will have to take my word on it that there wasn't any.

 

[tommybhoy]

Gsync covered it up-the whole point of it.

Gsync so far can't mask micro stutter???

If AMD delivered, I could have perhaps commented if it masked ms or not in mgpu.

They are different entities-I've witnessed them both too.


I've been running 970 24/7 for about a month playing games, lots of them, don't imagine your running the 970 24/7 and leaving a TX redundant.

In SOM, comparing the 290X/970 both like for like, I imagine Nvidia have tightened vram control@driver level since the articles broke, but if an engine runs like SOM, the 970 limitation is going to be observed quicker than a full proper bus a la 290X.

You can drop settings in the odd game that could throw up any vram probs so it's all good, and if I was the op, I'd test it first before sending anything back, it could be good enough for him/her.