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GTX 970 returns ????

gsync can't mask stutter caused by hardware limitations.

If the game is hitching because of VRAM you'll still see it.
 
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After comparing boths limitations/BS on a hardware/driver/software level like for like, both of them need a huge kick up the backside imo.
 
Your word isn't in question here, that's why I mentioned Gsync.

Why can't you accept the word of someone whoose (been)living with both and points out boths limitations?

Because we are talking about my video and my experience and I said it wasn't stuttering when I play the game. I am not questioning your experience and I am asking for you to accept that youtube does things at times that are not there when being played.

Every game I upload to youtube for reviews or just showing gameplay have stutter and that would be because of how it is recorded, encoded and then uploaded with youtube doing it's bits. Any single gameplay including Mantle, G-Sync and Freesync will show stutter on the video that isn't there when the guy recording is watching his screen (G-Sync/Freesync/Mantle).

I also have tested the 290X with and without Mantle and no stutter, the 7950 and 970 (no stutter) Titan and Titan X (no stutter) but SLI in quite a number of games has stutter (for me) and I can see that on screen but recording doesn't show what I am seeing.

I think you are struggling to grasp what I am saying?

Anyways, massively OT (unless of course the OP is getting what I have just said) so will leave it there :)
 
Nope not struggling, but fair enough, Gsync working as it should.

My points after living with both won't change.:)



Iv'e not being thrown a whack of free games from either though so I could possibly be bought.:p
 
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sooooo .... in a nutshell ... if I stay with 1080 resolution all things are fine ... if I go 4k then I will have issues (even with gsync although it does help?) ...
ok
so if I bought the cards so I could then go 4k .. then I have a problem ..
hence ... I have a problem ...
 
sooooo .... in a nutshell ... if I stay with 1080 resolution all things are fine ... if I go 4k then I will have issues (even with gsync although it does help?) ...
ok
so if I bought the cards so I could then go 4k .. then I have a problem ..
hence ... I have a problem ...

Listen, if you buy 290Xs/980s/970s/ basically anything with 4GB you will have problems if you try and max settings at 4K in a plethora of games. 4GB is still 4GB and regardless of game, if it goes over 4GB, it will have problems on any card that has 4GB.

You would need to lower settings in some of the newer games as well, as even 2x980s/970s/290xs/290s will struggle to push playable frame rates.

That is the bottom line.
 
^^ you said it.

I'm not surprised Gregster never encountered any issues with a single 970. The problem comes when you double up in SLI, which means you have the grunt to pretty much be faster than a stock Titan X but have a much more limited memory bus/frame buffer. I doubt Gregster was testing 4K with High/Ultra which is achievable on the Titan X.
 
sooooo .... in a nutshell ... if I stay with 1080 resolution all things are fine ... if I go 4k then I will have issues (even with gsync although it does help?) ...
ok
so if I bought the cards so I could then go 4k .. then I have a problem ..
hence ... I have a problem ...

If you bought 980 SLI you'd have as many problems at 4k.

4GB is not really enough for 4k. 3.5GB+0.5GB doesn't really fair any worse.

If you want 4k you need more vram, I'd consider a 6GB card a minimum. Get 290X 8GB cards, or some second hand Titan Blacks, or 980ti/Titan X.

At 1080p or 1440p it's fine.
 
sooooo .... in a nutshell ... if I stay with 1080 resolution all things are fine ... if I go 4k then I will have issues (even with gsync although it does help?) ...
ok
so if I bought the cards so I could then go 4k .. then I have a problem ..
hence ... I have a problem ...

Like I said Gibbo said OCUK would never recommend 2 970s for 4k as they are a midline gpu. As Gregster said that is the bottom line. If you want 4k you need 2 Titan x or 2 980 ti's for ultra with aa.
 
Sure me and you may do that, but many don't. How about the rops then? Do you get the full advertised 64?



Flawless? Come on gregster...

It boggles the mind why people go out of their way to defend nvidia on this. It should be clear as day and night that nvidia lied about the specs and quite a few people experienced issues due to the vram issue.

If it was a non issue, so many people like the op would not be returning the cards?

This would make interesting reading for you:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-970-revisited
Kinda kills the myth of the memory affecting performance.
People only started claiming stutter etc on 970s after the 3.5 news dropped. Funny thing was 980s stuttered under the same circumstances, so it wasn't the slow memory Block.
Sure they falsely advertised it, but people bought it based off reviews and benches not advertised number of rops or cuda cores. It was and still is the best card in that price range. Its ability to consume hardly any power and stay cool also is a big hit for people who want quiet fanless gpu. I can't understand people who returned it tbh, the spec change didn't change its benching and gaming capabilites. There was also nothing better out there apart from the 980 at nearly £200 quid more. For not much more performance
 
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The 970 is a great card but gimped ... Hence why I got rid ... Principle more than anything ...my plan was upgrading my monitor and getting another... But now I just cba :p

I'm going to sick with 1080p and get a 144mhz monitor instead... At least until all the nonsense with freesync etc is sorted
 
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