Guy got arrested for making racist comments on twitter about Muamba

It is worryingly inconsistent that this is only being picked up on because of the prominence of the story in the media at the moment. If this is arrestable then why is Sickipedia still up?
 
But how can they arrest him for it? Is it actually against the law to arrest someone for making racist comments on twitter?
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How is saying it on twitter any different from saying it in public or in person?

exhashdotdot said:
freedom of speech is freedom of spe...reedom of speech != freedom from consequence.
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BarBrawllin said:
oh some guy called my dead grandmother on twitter a caucasian gargoyle with mutated genes who molests kids..........who gives flying **** im not gonna lose sleep over it and certainly wont be calling the police. maybe if she was famous though some goody2shoes would do it for me.(this is an example didnt happen in real life lol)

its the internet ffs get over it.if you dont like it dont read it,theres an X button on the corner of the window for a reason.. people are gonna be scumbags on and offline thats just life,wasting police time and taxpayers money on a numpty like this who was looking for attention and a reaction isnt going to solve anything. He's still gonna think things like this and wont learn the real reason why he shouldnt say it. he'll just stop it to keep himself out of jail in future but he's still gonna be a racist eejit. imagine if they went around arresting everyone for the stuff they said online lol. a lot of people would be in jail :p

I doubt this idiot would have said a thing like this face to face,he just done it because he's behind his keyboard and is a sick turd.

Im in no way condoning what he said but they could have just deleted his account. id see things differently if he was threateing to kill somebody or something like that. They will never stop douchebags on twitter and other websites,and doing things like this will just make them set up anonymous accounts to do their trolling(that means if they do something in real life later there might be no history of their online crimes to backup a case against them).Concentrate on some real crime like the bankers getting bailouts and wrecking the ecoonomy in cahoots with the government.
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Exactly, just a keyboard warrior.
Waste of police time and public money !
 
The offences committed fall under the Malicious Communications Act 2003 in particular s127.

The Communications Act 2003
Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she

sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
causes any such message or matter to be so
A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false,
causes such a message to be sent; or
persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
 
Well that legislation is ridiculous. Reminds me of the public order offense nonsense. Which is legislation so broad and open ended that it is realy just a matter of a police officer discretion and nothing more. Basically if you catch a police officers in a bad mood and you say the wrong thing, you could find yourself being fined and found guilty on the spot. You don't even need to do anything offensive because the police officer can just say that it was offensive and you have no argument against it. Because that is the nature of the legislation. What the police do when they find you guilty of being offensive, is take you down to the police station, where they process you in the same manner that they process murderers and rapists. They take all your fingerprints, dna, retina they then add it to the database of criminals. They then give you a fine and say that you can pay the fine or you can go to court where if found guilty you will forced to pay even more, which equates to extortion or blackmail. They then can sit back and say to themselves that justice has been served and someone has been saved from being offended.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/#Section_5

Section 5 of the public order act is some of the most ridiculous and orwellian legislation ever written.
 
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groen said:
Well that legislation is ridiculous. Reminds me of the public order offense nonsense. Which is legislation so broad and open ended that it is realy just a matter of a police officer discretion and nothing more. Basically if you catch a police officers in a bad mood and you say the wrong thing, you could find yourself being fined and found guilty on the spot. You don't even need to do anything offensive because the police officer can just say that it was offensive and you have no argument against it. Because that is the nature of the legislation. What the police do when they find you guilty of being offensive, is take you down to the police station, where they process you in the same manner that they process murderers and rapists. They take all your fingerprints, dna, retina they then add it to the database of criminals. They then give you a fine and say that you can pay the fine or you can go to court where if found guilty you will forced to pay even more, which equates to extortion or blackmail. They then can sit back and say to themselves that justice has been served and someone has been saved from being offended.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_order_offences/#Section_5

Section 5 of the public order act is some of the most ridiculous and orwellian legislation ever written.
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Agreed, many section 5 offences are committed in the ear shot of police officers, as nobody else is actually bothered to report them

If s127 comms act 2003 was properly policed the system would go into meltdown
 
bitslice said:
AFAIK twitter can be set to public or invite only, I think in the past TSA have decided it is irrelevant if it's private or not, which seems an invasive position to take.
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Fair enough although I'd be guessing in this situation it wasn't an invite only thing, if it was then presumably it would have to be someone he knows who has taken such offence and reported him.

Nitefly said:
I don't know what to think of this. On one hand, it's good to see that repugnant individuals are being dealt with in some way. On the other, I think something has to be very serious indeed to warrant any sort of arrest (let alone charge) and I don't think this sort of thing sets a very good precedent.

What's next, people arrested for posting dubious jokes on OCUK?
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While in some ways it might not seem serious if it gets people to actually think about what they are posting and that they may be held to account for their views as they would be in everyday life then perhaps it is no bad thing.
 
amigafan2003 said:
That old chestnut.

Freedom of speech != freedom from consequence.
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It should mean freedom from consequence by the goverment, if you get arrested for saying something then it is not really freedom of speech.

However we have, as a society, decided that certian things are unacceptable and are not covered under our general right of freedom of expression. This may or may not fall under that, we will have to wait to see if he is charged and convicted.
 
Undeterred said:
The offences committed fall under the Malicious Communications Act 2003 in particular s127.

The Communications Act 2003
Section 127 states that a person is guilty of an offence if he/she

sends by means of a public electronic communications network a message or other matter that is grossly offensive or of an indecent, obscene or menacing character; or
causes any such message or matter to be so
A person is guilty of an offence if, for the purpose of causing annoyance, inconvenience or needless anxiety to another by means of a public electronic communications network, a message that he/she knows to be false,
causes such a message to be sent; or
persistently makes use of a public electronic communications network
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That is an extremely scary and authoritarian Act.
 
anticonscience said:
Well aren't you a lovely person. :rolleyes:

It's about being compassionate for your fellow man.
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This takes the cake for hypocritical post of the year.

What is this freedom of consequence word of the day about?

So I've learnt from this thread that freedom of speech is restricted in this country. I think I've become a better person because of it.

What's interesting is I distinctly remember people on this forum making casual racist remarks about jews on here. I'll make note that I can report them to the police.

Unless the police don't care about jew remarks.
 
exhashdotdot said:
What's interesting is I distinctly remember people on this forum making casual racist remarks about jews on here. I'll make note that I can report them to the police.

Unless the police don't care about jew remarks.
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I bet there has been a few racist KONY jokes aswell, yet nothing done.
 
what ever happened to the "report" button? when did it become "arrest"? surely (like facebook) comments you put on twitter are the responsibility of twitter and the twitter community? therefore if something is put up, it's up to them to take it down and deal with it? not the police?

if I shout out something hateful I can't get arrested - just because there's a log of it? This is something for twitter to deal with not the tax payer.
 
codec said:
what ever happened to the "report" button? when did it become "arrest"? surely (like facebook) comments you put on twitter are the responsibility of twitter and the twitter community? therefore if something is put up, it's up to them to take it down and deal with it? not the police?

if I shout out something hateful I can't get arrested - just because there's a log of it? This is something for twitter to deal with not the tax payer.
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I've noticed today that there's a media frenzy over this. I'm starting to think the media is creating hysteria and victimising him now.
 
Elixir said:
It is worryingly inconsistent that this is only being picked up on because of the prominence of the story in the media at the moment. If this is arrestable then why is Sickipedia still up?
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I'm guessing it is because the racist jokes that Sickipedia make are not usually aimed at individual people. Making racist comments about a guy who is in hospital critically ill is worse than making racist, stereotypical jokes about all black people..

Just a theory, can't be bothered to go through the relevant law in detail to find the true reason, as there most likely isn't one...
 
This is an interesting read and should explain a bit about WHY this kind of stuff is being applied to the UK and US. It's not a conspiracy theory, you can look up the history of these people yourself and verify it.

Critical Race Theory:

  1. “Whiteness” is an illegitimate social construct to oppress other people.
  2. “Blackness” is a legitimate social construct to resist oppression.
  3. Black failures is caused by white oppression.
  4. Blacks will continue to fail in life for the foreseeable future and it will be the fault of whites.
  5. The US Constitution does not have the capacity to keep whites from oppressing blacks.
  6. Only a totalitarian Marxist government can correct white oppresion AND/OR
  7. Whites must cease to exist as an identifiable group.

To understand where CRT comes from, you must know a little about Critical Theory. This was a plan devised by the Frankfurt School in the 1920s. The Frankfurt School was founded in Frankfurt Germany by Marxist academics. Some of the famous members include notable Marxist leaders like Theodore Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Magnus Hirschfeld, and Max Horkheimer.

While most people will not recognize their names, many would recognize their handiwork. Magnus Hirschfeld was a leading homosexual rights activist in Germany in the 1920s. It was Hirschfeld who first coined the attack phrase “racist.” He wrote an entire book in 1930 describing how to use the word “racist” to browbeat political opponents into silence.
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The members of the Frankfurt School attempted to explain why the proletariat in Europe had not rushed to join the Communists during WWI. They decided that in order for the proletariat to better understand the need for Communism, the bonds of patriotism, religion, and family must be broken. Critical Theory is the theory that patriotism, nationalism, religion, and the traditional family must be held up to public criticism and ridicule. Only then would the proletariat embrace Communism in Europe and the United States.

The members of the Frankfurt school fled Germany in 1930 when a rival group of socialists began gaining power. Many of them regrouped in New York City, where they began applying Critical Theory in the United States. Many of the early non-black leaders of the NAACP were students of Critical Theory.
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http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/the-critical-race-theory-of-bell-and-obama
 
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