H&M Racism storm

Regardless of the message on the front it’s racist depicting a black kid in a hoodie. What were they thinking associating him with gang culture. Disgusting.

(The mum has come out and said those complaining about it need to get a grip)
 
I can understand why a company would avoid this, due to the current culture of recreational offence.

Yes, there is a somewhat splattered history of calling black people a monkey as an insult. But there is also a history of calling a young boy a monkey, I call my my boy monkey/little monkey/cheeky monkey all the time. I was also as a child.

At worst it's mildly insensitive, in no way is this deliberately hateful or expressive of racist sentiment. If anything the people involved were guilty of nothing more than being colour blind (something which I think society would do better in if we all adopted).

My main objection is the perpetually offended picking ditches like this to fight in. There is clearly no malicious intent, the people involved (mother and child) are clearly not unset/hurt by this. This is a group of people who have identity tuned to maximum on the radar decided that the view they posses is the only one which has value.

The other point is, a majority of the black people online & who I've spoken to about this (as I wasn't sure if I was being insensitive - as I've not been called a monkey as an insult) think the entire thing is ridiculous & beyond a minority of online virtue signallers not a problem either.

Yes it should be avoided for simple pragmatic reasons, but this level of uproar & attacks on the mother (I read things saying she would dress her kid in a KKK outfit & her doing this is basically child abuse...) is appears to be somewhat misguided.
 
At worst it's mildly insensitive, in no way is this deliberately hateful or expressive of racist sentiment. If anything the people involved were guilty of nothing more than being colour blind (something which I think society would do better in if we all adopted).

This. People don't really talk about insensitivity anymore, if there is ambiguity in a statement the judgement falls to the more extreme side. If it tackles race it's racist, sexuality it's homophobic etc. There's a really relevant step before that which people used to talk about a lot but now seemingly don't. Advertising a black kid in that hoodie isn't racist, it's likely not been done on purpose, and the context doesn't imply malice. However H&M have failed to notice or consider the way it might be taken by various demography's, in this case specifically black people. It's not racist, it's racially insensitive.

I miss the days when reactions were proportional. Not "That's disgraceful! Boycott H&M #hoodiegate" but "Well that's a bit awkward, might want to pull that ad given the historical context, it's a bit insensitive.".
 
If you’re the type of person who’s hyper-sensitive over race you can find it pretty much anywhere with some mental gymnastics.

Also, victimhood is currency in some circles.
 
nothing like a good old lootin to debunk racial stereotypes now is there..... sometimes you have to wonder about the IQ of the people involved in actions such as these if the don't want to perpetuate potentially misleading racial stereotypes....

'Protesters from the left-wing Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) group targeted six shops in Gauteng province, police said'

Oh a bunch of Marxists/ Socialists ... colour me distinctly not surprised..... because a Marxist doesn't have any interest in not perpetuating stereotypes they are far to concerned with 'smashing the system' so they can institute their own (repeatedly) failed ideology
 
Yea but South Africa is one of "those" countries that Donald Trump was talking about. Right?

Thanks to the increasingly Socialist/ Marxist leaning ANC (and the even more overtly Marxist/Socialist splinter parties like those behind the rioting above that are increasingly gaining traction) South Africa is on a similar path to Zimbabwe .... (that of being yet another good old failed socialist experiment with an African flavour)....

Just following in the footsteps of their renowned former leader, Mandela, who people conveniently forgot was a Communist sympathising Marxist/Socialist when they were busy gushing about what a terribly nice chap he was ......

'The mineral wealth beneath the soil, the banks and the monopoly industry shall be transferred to the ownership of the people as a whole …'

..... and who like any good Marxist/ socialist retained a keen sense of irony..........

'"Long live the Cuban Revolution. Long live comrade Fidel Castro ... Cuban internationalists have done so much for African independence, freedom, and justice. We admire the sacrifices of the Cuban people in maintaining their independence and sovereignty in the face of a vicious imperialist campaign designed to destroy the advances of the Cuban revolution. We too want to control our destiny ... There can be no surrender. It is a case of freedom or death. The Cuban revolution has been a source of inspiration to all freedom-loving people." Mandela during a speech at a Cuban rally on July 26, 1991.

Because mistreating large sections of your population is only bad if their a different racial group (and not 'white' ) otherwise you can be a revolutionary communist hero between all the repression, killing and abject poverty of most of your population done at your direction thanks to your ideology!
 
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(The mum has come out and said those complaining about it need to get a grip)

indeed, I can't remember if it was mentioned earlier in the thread, but given it was a child model a parent/guardian was blatantly going to have been present during the shoot and would have approved it... was just waiting for us to finally hear from him/her stating that they didn't have an issue with it* - similarly with the adult black female model in the "controversial" dove advert... big media uproar and then few days later she's on TV and in the papers wondering what all the fuss is about

*I guess there was also the slim chance that he was adopted and the parent/guardian turns out to be a white person... thus triggering a second wave of the **** storm!
 
These identity agitators need to be told to **** off, but unfortunately too many people/companies embolden them with grovelling apologies for utterly innocuous things.
 
These identity agitators need to be told to **** off, but unfortunately too many people/companies embolden them with grovelling apologies for utterly innocuous things.
They need to be sued for slander or libel. The rabble they have caused led to the stores in South Africa being ransacked.

People can't go around throwing accusations like that against people or companies just because they have a different opinion.

Perhaps H&M should look at legal proceedings against Twitter in this instance, they've suffered significant losses at the hands of hooligans who were invited to violence by the vile communication that Twitter allows for.
 
They need to be sued for slander or libel. The rabble they have caused led to the stores in South Africa being ransacked.

People can't go around throwing accusations like that against people or companies just because they have a different opinion.

Perhaps H&M should look at legal proceedings against Twitter in this instance, they've suffered significant losses at the hands of hooligans who were invited to violence by the vile communication that Twitter allows for.

As much as I agree with the sentiment, you can't punish a company that is essentially an outlet for free speech. The people who need to be prosecuted are the vandals.
 
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Probably been said before but they blatantly did this on purpose. They cannot have realised when taking this picture that someone would get offended.
The media have made it worse by showing only the black kid in the picture when there was another child in a similar top next to him.
However his top would not have been given the same media coverage if they swapped.
They knew what they were doing.... Bad advertising is better than no advertising, or whatever that saying is..
 
Probably been said before but they blatantly did this on purpose. They cannot have realised when taking this picture that someone would get offended.
The media have made it worse by showing only the black kid in the picture when there was another child in a similar top next to him.
However his top would not have been given the same media coverage if they swapped.
They knew what they were doing.... Bad advertising is better than no advertising, or whatever that saying is..

The picture was taken as part of a photo shoot involving hundreds of items of clothing, it's merely a normally inoffensive hoodie with a child model who happens to be black, there isn't some grand scheme at work. Companies will do everything they can these days to ensure they're seen as being diverse and politically correct, they aren't looking to use racism as marketing, the idea is laughable.
 
As much as I agree with the sentiment, you can't punish a company that is essentially an outlet for free speech. The people who need to be prosecuted are the vandals.
That's not how Germany sees it though. They will be prosecuting Facebook, Twitter etc directly; albeit that's for hate speech.

The CEOs of these social media companies know full well that allowing these kinds of tweets to circulate has a propensity to lead to real life violence. They're quick to suspend accounts for other kinds of "wrong think", perhaps they should be quick to suspend accounts of those who would seek to make accusations without evidence too.
 
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