Halal Food - WTF?

[Glaucus]

Then that simply is not Halal.y.

Rubbish. It is halal, halal can be stunned, it jsut has to be alive, stunning does not kill.

And yes most of it is stunned.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18187137

But EU research from 2006 indicated that 75% of cattle, 93% of sheep and 100% of chickens slaughtered in the UK for halal meat were stunned prior to their deaths. Figures produced by the Food Standards Agency (FSA) in 2011 give a similar picture: 84%, 81% and 88%, respectively.

Meanwhile, Denmark and New Zealand have both legislated to ensure that all animals killed for halal meat are stunned first.

 

[The Running Man]

Do schools etc buy only halal meat stunned in the UK?

 

[Glaucus]

Do schools etc buy only halal meat stunned in the UK?

Doesn't matter. Animals rights chnage around the world and not just halal. Pork rearing in eu is disgusting let alone the rest of the world, UK has one of the highest standards. Yet people still buy foreign pork. Then shall we talk about battery chickens, upto 12 months of constant cruelties compared to a few seconds of pain, that if done right is extremely fast.
How do people feel about venison and other game being shot? That isn't stunned first.
Far to much double standards in this thread and I wonder why. Could it be an underlying reason, I think so.

As usual religion has clouded people minds, this thread is full of stupid and wrong opinions.

I bet there's only a couple if that in this thread, that has any right to complain. People need to sort their own purchasing out first.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't improve things, it's just half the comments in this thread are retarded.

 

[Amp34]

I hunt wild deer. Legally you are only allowed to hunt them with a rifle, 5.56 calibre or over. That means a small wound, and the deer have to be tracked by the blood trail, sometimes for a mile or more, before they collapse and they get their throat cut.
I hunt them either with a powerful crossbow (close up) which is illegal, but results in a pretty instant death - a good broadhead tip on a good crossbow leaves a big hole.
Or, I use a 12ga. shotgun loaded with slugs. Again, illegal. But it goes in the deer and out the other side, leaving a big hole - they might jump once, then fall down stone dead. I cut their throats anyway as part of getting them ready for butchering, but they are very dead by then.
Which is better?

You're doing it wrong... Very wrong.

You're supposed to get a clean kill, which means shooting it in the head/heart and near instantaneous death.

 

[CREATIVE!11]

Um, or I was being sarcastic and trying to explore the depths of that guy's ignorance.

To which I had a retort,

No personal attacks - Gilly

 

[Glaucus]

You're doing it wrong... Very wrong.

You're supposed to get a clean kill, which means shooting it in the head/heart and near instantaneous death.

Very much so ,
although I can't see how when its done correctly it kills any faster than a slit throat. Both cause instant blood pressure loss to the brain.

 

[Bear]

Um, or I was being sarcastic and trying to explore the depths of that guy's ignorance.

Sorry serves me right for skim reading the thread

 

[nick.lidgett]

The OP is a jerk

 

[dowie]

2) Halal and Haraam, basically mean lawful and unlawful. Dhabiah is the method of slaughter which makes the meat lawful for consumption. If an animal is stunned then slaughtered the vast majority of Muslims would consider this halal.

Given this - there isn't much reason why we shouldn't have a change in the law over here too then - along the lines of New Zealand. It seems the only people opposed would be a few fundamentalists types with twisted ideas of what is and isn't allowed within Islam.

 

[GhostlyPea]

I was always generally under the impression that the Halal/Kosher practice was more barbaric although this purely down to never bother researching it. I've done a bit of reading around and in general my consensus is that:

The animal CAN feel pain (depending on size) for about 8 - 28 seconds after the cut. However, a report from a German university indicated that the stun treatment beforehand is no guarantee to remove the feeling of pain and wasn't as effective as seen. On the other hand, a skilled slaughterman performing a Kosher or Halal slaughter could effectively render the animal into shock from the blood de-presurising almost instantly in the same way a normal cut would.

So in general it seems how the animal fares at slaughter comes down to the skill of the slaughterman rather than much else. Some Halal meat can be classified as such if the animal is stunned using either a "Mushroom bolt" or electricity. This can be allowed as the bolt there doesn't daage the brain so it's "ok" and an electrified animal can recover afterwards.

There just doesn't seem to be much unbiased evidence from either side unfortunatly

- GP

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

Obviously being a vegetarian on ethical grounds I'm completely opposed to Halal, however people who eat cheap meat have no moral high ground and really should pipe down and stop being hypocritical!

 

[Doohickey]

To which I had a retort,

Good day moron.

Um, yeah this was your 'retort'...

Chinese people don't wear ninja outfits and burn poppies. Also don't go around erecting mosques funnily enough.

Bahahaha.

If only you were actually capable of forming any kind of sensible points (or indeed showing any iota of intelligence), how disappointing.

 

[Omaeka]

I think an indisputable point about Halal in the UK is this. KFC is 100% Halal now. Halal is an Islamic blessing, what if you're Christian/Atheist/Jewish etc.

You just ate food which received a blessing from another religion. Can you imagine the uproar if a Muslim ate some Haribo that had been blessed under the name of Jesus H. Christ?

Anarchy. Anarchy in the U.K.

 

[GhostlyPea]

I think an indisputable point about Halal in the UK is this. KFC is 100% Halal now.

No it isn't, unless you're insinuating that the KFC website is wrong, in which case - source please

http://www.kfc.co.uk/about-kfc/halal

- GP

 

[dowie]

I was always generally under the impression that the Halal/Kosher practice was more barbaric although this purely down to never bother researching it. I've done a bit of reading around and in general my consensus is that:

The animal CAN feel pain (depending on size) for about 8 - 28 seconds after the cut. However, a report from a German university indicated that the stun treatment beforehand is no guarantee to remove the feeling of pain and wasn't as effective as seen. On the other hand, a skilled slaughterman performing a Kosher or Halal slaughter could effectively render the animal into shock from the blood de-presurising almost instantly in the same way a normal cut would.

So in general it seems how the animal fares at slaughter comes down to the skill of the slaughterman rather than much else. Some Halal meat can be classified as such if the animal is stunned using either a "Mushroom bolt" or electricity. This can be allowed as the bolt there doesn't daage the brain so it's "ok" and an electrified animal can recover afterwards.

There just doesn't seem to be much unbiased evidence from either side unfortunatly

- GP

You're referring to an older study, the author of which (Dr. Schulze) has since conceded was flawed... check the more recent study linked earlier in this thread.

There should be no issue in stunning first with all halal meat as per New Zealand. This would likely satisfy both animal rights activists (who aren't of the extreme all meat is murder variety) and most Muslims (who aren't of the extreme 'funny-mentalist' variety).

 

[GhostlyPea]

You're referring to an older study, the author of which (Dr. Schulze) has since conceded was flawed... check the more recent study linked earlier in this thread.

There should be no issue in stunning first with all halal meat as per New Zealand. This would likely satisfy both animal rights activists (who aren't of the extreme all meat is murder variety) and most Muslims (who aren't of the extreme 'funny-mentalist' variety).

Cheers, did look a bit odd but I can't find any other studies around that don't appear biased one way or another. If you have a link to some I'd be interested

- GP

 

[dowie]

yup - check the New Zealand study cited by the new scientist article I've posted in here a couple of times already...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23904526&postcount=33

 

[GhostlyPea]

Missed that, Cheers. Any idea if there are more? I see this study from NZ used some info from Bristol University so I assume there's more out there

- GP

 

[Hicks]

That seems to be a common problem with people such as yourself doesn't it? You don't tend to read anything past the headline?

KFC is not all Halal, they run particular restaurants as Halal and again they are clearly marked.
Derp!
http://www.kfc.co.uk/about-kfc/halal

You just ate food which received a blessing from another religion. Can you imagine the uproar if a Muslim ate some Haribo that had been blessed under the name of Jesus H. Christ?

Again, showing your ignorance. Food given by "people of the scriptures" is considered Halal by the majority.

Try again...

 

[Gilly]

I never realised Halal animals weren't stunned.

I was told by someone that should know about it that they were stunned in the vast majority of cases. On that basis I was relatively happy for it to happen as Mohinder described.