Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

Glaucus said:
And remove special grants for non stunning, but clear labelling would at least be a step in the right direction.
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Absolutely, as the man states, there is no mention of stunning in the Koran, and a simple prayer before a meal can any any permitted meat halal regardless of slaughter method.
 
estebanrey said:
So you tell me not to point out that Islam isn't a race, then go on to admit that and that the R word is used both because it is lazier and has more impact (not because it is accurate).

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Well all the reports I've read have mentioned the word Kosher in the same headline and have usually printed the Rabbi's opinion before the Imams. David Badiel got a whole BBC documentary about the Y word and Chelsea fans so not sure I'm buying this "The media only care about anti-Muslim stories" angle.

Besides, you come across as if you're one of those people who thinks criticising another culture on anything or having any problem with other people's "ways" is by definition racist.
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The correct word would be bigot but for most people it's far simpler to say racist even those who have a good grasp of vocabulary because racist highlights the nasty intent behind there bigotry.

Look you'd have to be blind or purposely deceitful to ignore the amount of Muslim related negative articles in the media. And don't Tell me it's because they commit more crimes.

And you know full well if this was kosher we wouldn't have a 15+ page thread about it.

I think we should discuss everything under the sun if we feel like but with respect and decency.
 
As i have said before, this country is not 'Great' Britain any more!

You know, these people who are concerned about Pork / bacon and Halal rights should stick to their own butcher shops and supermarkets and not go moaning and trying to change things, in this country, just to suit their beliefs!!!!!!

For goodness sake, when we visit Saudi for example, we have to abide by their way of life! No ifs or buts. Deviate from that and you are in trouble!

For those who want halal and no bacon etc bog off from 'our' way of living and leave us alone! Dont try and change what 'we' love because it goes against your religion!

If you are not happy then find another country to live in. Just dont go and try and change and upset things that dont suit you!
 
koolpc said:
As i have said before, this country is not 'Great' Britain any more!

You know, these people who are concerned about Pork / bacon and Halal rights should stick to their own butcher shops and supermarkets and not go moaning and trying to change things, in this country, just to suit their beliefs!!!!!!

For goodness sake, when we visit Saudi for example, we have to abide by their way of life! No ifs or buts. Deviate from that and you are in trouble!

For those who want halal and no bacon etc bog off from 'our' way of living and leave us alone! Dont try and change what 'we' love because it goes against your religion!

If you are not happy then find another country to live in. Just dont go and try and change and upset things that dont suit you!
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koolpc said:
For those who want halal and no bacon etc bog off from 'our' way of living and leave us alone! Dont try and change what 'we' love because it goes against your religion!

If you are not happy then find another country to live in. Just dont go and try and change and upset things that dont suit you!
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Who said we can't have bacon or non halal, certainly no mention of that anywhere, or mention of intentions to that end.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
Who said we can't have bacon or non halal, certainly no mention of that anywhere, or mention of intentions to that end.
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Well if you like Pizza Express, you now have no option there. It's all Halal.

Yes, you can boycott it and not go there anymore, but why should you? To appease a minority?

P.S I'm not bothered one way or other. I am just throwing out viewpoints.
 
Rofflay said:
The disgusting bit is the poor animal flipping and screaming until it blacks out. Let the animal ingest the sensual pleasure of having its throat cut shall we? You do realise how sick you have to be to ask why?
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Except this is not exclusive to Halal, so that blows that argument out of the water.

Good use of inflammatory rage inducing language though, we'll make a tabloid journalist out of you yet.

Rofflay said:
And also self preservation is not racism, It is common sense. If you look at the birthrates you will see that 1 in 3 becomes 2 in 3 and then 3 out of 3. And then we fail to exist as white british people.
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I'm not sure you quite understand how that works... are all the "white people" going to stop breeding? :confused: As that's the only way they would fail to exist...

Also, why does it matter? We're all people, skin colour doesn't make a difference unless you're racist...

I also notice you fail to respond to the point about foreign white people? If you're so vehemently trying to defend the UK, why are you not up in arms about all the immigrants from other white countries?
 
balky12 said:
Well if you like Pizza Express, you now have no option there. It's all Halal.

Yes, you can boycott it and not go there anymore, but why should you? To appease a minority?

P.S I'm not bothered one way or other. I am just throwing out viewpoints.
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It's not appeasement of a minority, they in effect had nothing to do with what has happened. This is the fault of the food industry trying to cover all it's customer groups with one supplier in turn demonising the minority they are trying to pander to.

Pizza Express, I would rather not eat, it's garbage like all other chain food vendors.
 
Thompson_NCL said:
2. I've no idea why you think most 'islamophobes' are right-wing.

Insert 10p to try again.
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*inserts 10p*

Can you name any left wing groups that are anti-Islam (I'm sure there probably are some left wing nut jobs)?

I get that a right wing supporter doesn't have to be extremist, and may not have those views, but primarily, it is the right wing extremist groups (BNP/EDL) that are very vocal about how we have to live under sharia law now and all the other **** that they spew.
 
Hitman_Leon said:
It's not appeasement of a minority, they in effect had nothing to do with what has happened. This is the fault of the food industry trying to cover all it's customer groups with one supplier in turn demonising the minority they are trying to pander to.

Pizza Express, I would rather not eat, it's garbage like all other chain food vendors.
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Wrong as 'the minority' did complain that is why Subway removed said items from the menu!

As for your view on eating in Pizza Express i would think the same myself but it still shouldn't be as it is as others who like to eat there have not been given the truth about its practices.
 
The Running Man said:
This guy's really reiterating what I said about the islamification of the uk through the back door.

so is this guy 'racist' or whatever you might want to to call me as well? Are my fears unfounded that 5% of the populations habits are effecting the other 95% significantly in daily life?
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Like I have said more than once, people throw the word racist around so easily nowadays.

The Islamification of the UK is something to be wary about, as the article said.

I have no problem with Muslims or Islamic ways coming into our culture and perhaps altering it. However, it is the Islamic Extremists that come and force it into our way of life, often not representing true Islamic ways, again what the article touched on.

95% of Muslims that come to the country will live here in peace, quietly. Integrating into society and adding/ altering our culture ever so slightly over a long period of time, and that's great.

It's the 5% that want everything now, and take things to extremes and give a misrepresentation of the majority. Sharia law for example, that is an extremist standpoint.
 
koolpc said:
Wrong as 'the minority' did complain that is why Subway removed said items from the menu!

As for your view on eating in Pizza Express i would think the same myself but it still shouldn't be as it is as others who like to eat there have not been given the truth about its practices.
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is pizza express a franchise and these halal chains will be owned my muslims probably near areas with a small muslim community?

I think most the businesses in my area are Muslim owned apart from maybe 10% of them but there's a huge Asian community a few streets away so I assume most of them are owned by locals or people with connections to the area.
It's probably for that reason just about every takeaway is halal out of about 20 of them in my local area (live near the city centre so takeaway heaven lol)

pepperoni can't be made without pork right? but the clearly muslim owned pizza shops do pepperoni pizza

EDIT: NM google says you can get halal beef pepperoni.
so I guess that's what they use even though the customers will assume it's proper pepperoni lol
 
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Hitman_Leon said:
It's not appeasement of a minority, they in effect had nothing to do with what has happened. This is the fault of the food industry trying to cover all it's customer groups with one supplier in turn demonising the minority they are trying to pander to.

Pizza Express, I would rather not eat, it's garbage like all other chain food vendors.
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Good viewpoint. It can kind of turn into a chicken or egg scenario.

Did or didn't they recieve complaints from Muslims?

If they did, did they then look into the supplier chain and come to the conclusion that serving only halal was most economically viable?

Or if they didn't recieve complaints, did they just make the decision by themselves and unfortunately there is this backlash becuase of the Muslim association.

But I agree, either way, the ultimate decision was made by Pizzza Express.
 
buobgmun;26278628]Great article from a Muslim Imam

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2623879/We-Muslims-appalled-sale-halal-meat-stealth.html
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I agree with him that food should be labeled clearly. But he is wrong that Muslims can eat food made by the People of the book. That might have been correct when people observed religion but not any more and I do believe that is what most Muslims believe to.

But then again he might have a point. I also disagree with him about creeping fundamentalism it is not Muslims demanding non Muslims to eat halal meat it's company managers who buy it in and don't label it.

Muslims might want halal options but that doesn't mean that companies have to do it nor does it mean they have to remove non halal options. What they do is for there own reasons which is mainly financial.

koolpc said:
Wrong as 'the minority' did complain that is why Subway removed said items from the menu!

As for your view on eating in Pizza Express i would think the same myself but it still shouldn't be as it is as others who like to eat there have not been given the truth about its practices.
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I can guarantee you that subways do halal in areas which have a high percentage of Muslims in other words they're doing it for financial reasons.

Where I disagree is when they remove pork they should still cater to people that want it.
 
badcompany said:
Got your ticket to Syria yet?
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Any **** who spells Quran as Koran is an appointed British stooge. Plucking up ayats without context shows what a muppet he is. Maybe if he read surah maidah in context and even the verse before 5 he'd understand his error.

Oh and pay for my ticket so I can visit once which was a Holy land.
 
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