Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

koolpc said:
As i have said before, this country is not 'Great' Britain any more!

You know, these people who are concerned about Pork / bacon and Halal rights should stick to their own butcher shops and supermarkets and not go moaning and trying to change things, in this country, just to suit their beliefs!!!!!!

For goodness sake, when we visit Saudi for example, we have to abide by their way of life! No ifs or buts. Deviate from that and you are in trouble!

For those who want halal and no bacon etc bog off from 'our' way of living and leave us alone! Dont try and change what 'we' love because it goes against your religion!

If you are not happy then find another country to live in. Just dont go and try and change and upset things that dont suit you!
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Our country since it's beginning has been a hotbed of diversity form ancient times all the way through to the height of the British empire and to today other cultures and peoples have been invading, migrating, settling and adding to the diversity of this country and it's culture there is no true English person no matter how much you wish to argue you are 100% English, Irish, Scottish or Welsh unless both of your parents ancestry back to the Celts without any watering down of the bloodline you aren't!

This is a country of multiculturalism and diversity and it always has and will be which isn't a bad thing as it promotes cooperation and sets an example to those hard-line extremists that conflict and domination with and over others isn't the way forward if we wish to live in a peaceful world we can enjoy. Tolerance, understanding and an appreciation that our way of life is neither the right or wrong way and that we can learn form others just as they can learn form us is what this country needs.

Although the problem is the people in power to tend to pander to the loudest voice or rather than look at the issue in detail and work out a sensible solution that would keep everyone happy in the long run no they make a stupid short term decision that eventually comes back to haunt them again at which point they may or may not do the same. Multiculturalism and diversity isn't the problem it's the Laziness & political scheming in some cases of those in charge that's the problem.
 
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Zethor said:
Aren't most islamophobes right wingers? Which imples you support freedom of enterprise, which means you support the right of companies to sell what they while the free market sorts any issues?
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no most are 'far right' and those parties (BNP etc...) target white working class people/chavs etc.. people who actually feel threatened that an unskilled person who doesn't speak english as a first language could take 'their jobs'... aside from the anti-immigration stuff other policies can be a bit left wing

I don't think you can really support free enterprise for example when also wanting to stop companies from having access to the big labour market offered by the EU etc..
 
B&W said:
I can guarantee you that subways do halal in areas which have a high percentage of Muslims in other words they're doing it for financial reasons.

Where I disagree is when they remove pork they should still cater to people that want it.
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Spot on. I couldn't care less if they sell halal meat or not. These are businesses and will cater to their customer base. I would prefer that they still sell pork just in case I want a ham sandwich etc. Anyone who really cares can go eat elsewhere.
 
B&W said:
I agree with him that food should be labeled clearly. But he is wrong that Muslims can eat food made by the People of the book. That might have been correct when people observed religion but not any more and I do believe that is what most Muslims believe to.
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So you are deciding that an Imam, also an Islamic scholar, is wrong? I know which side I'm putting my bets on ;)

e: also oximoron? (bold)
 
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MowyTone said:
So you are deciding that an Imam, also an Islamic scholar, is wrong? I know which side I'm putting my bets on ;)

e: also oximoron? (bold)
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As a Muslim who isn't even religious I know he's wrong. He is one scholar there's thousands out there and I guarantee you 99% of Muslims get there meat from a halal butcher.
 
Halal has been a business decision, most likely. Also one of logistics/hygiene when running a commercial kitchen. Then there is customer base.

It does not represent the 'Islamification' of Britain. It represents an astute business mind in times of austerity.

You get the produce cheaper if there are multiple halal producers wanting a slice of the market, but same price as non-halal if not. (varies by region)
You can run your kitchen without having to segregate the two types of meat product, meaning efficiency savings as well as a single hygiene policy.
You can sell it to more people, and make more money.
Many non-muslims do not care if meat is halal or not, they care about bottom lines (IE what it costs and what it tastes like)
Those who do object, do not have to be told they are eating halal - what they do not know will not hurt. If they ask and dont buy your food, meh, you have made enough savings to off-set that eventuality and still make profit.

It is win win for any business really.

Expand this to schools where governors and head teachers are seeng budgets being slashed and you can see it being attractive to them as well.

It's all about the monaaaaay :)
 
koolpc said:
Wrong as 'the minority' did complain that is why Subway removed said items from the menu!

As for your view on eating in Pizza Express i would think the same myself but it still shouldn't be as it is as others who like to eat there have not been given the truth about its practices.
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In Subways case, have you ever thought that the 'complaint' may have simply been a request 'Dear Subway can you please cater to Muslim as well as western tastes on your menus'.

Subway weighed up the costs, they could have done this like my old college did and had separate menus and food prep areas. They would have only needed small areas for the less requested food in most cases. They deem the costs too high and simply make outlets in higher demand areas halal only. Thus instigating the backlash against Muslims over simple food availability issue.

As for Pizza Express, maybe they gained a very good deal from a halal supplier who saw an opportunity of access into a larger market and simply decided to use all halal chicken on cost grounds.

Either way two companies created the backlash simply on cost grounds.

Idiots now see this as a us v's them issue, they are taking away our bacon, they make us eat halal. It's a simple fix, labels, informed choice, there is no conspiracy to make anyone eat what they do not want. Just bad practice in business not keeping customers informed.
 
MikeTheNative said:
To be fair they are anti all religion so are not really discriminating against just islam.
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Still counts in regards to that particular question, and if they are anti-Islam then by the definition bleeted on by the lefties then the Russians and Chinese are both racist countries. (Russians are at least very homophobic)
 
I don't offer Halal versions of my products.

If someone chooses not to eat it because of the views laid down by their particular space ghost, I won't lose any sleep over it.
 
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