Halal, is it meat you're looking for?

[Glaucus]

Youndon't agree with several research done with eeg. What do you need it gold plates and wrapped up.

And its 2 vs 13 although that 13 might be a lot lower, can't be bothered to see exactly what the first post is about on all off them. Not that it means a huge amount.
Lots of people still believe fish don't feel pain or crustaceans. Let alone it's far less to do with welfare and more to do with sustainability.

 

[Danthus]

That isn't what you said though was it..you said ban ritual slaughter, it's as simple as that. RDM may well have been referring to non-stunning, but you clearly were not.

Don't tell me what I meant, in the context of this thread it is painfully obvious what I meant.

 

[Castiel]

Youndon't agree with several research done with eeg. What do you need it gold plates and wrapped up.

From what I have read, that evidence is far from conclusive and has significant opposition and rebuttal....like I said, people are free to accept that if it is enough fir them to form a definitive position...I need more than that before doing so, particularly relating to distress rather than pain.

And its 2 vs 13 although that 13 might be a lot lower, can't be bothered to see exactly what the first post is about on all off them. Not that it means a huge amount.

The ratio question was rhetorical, but obviously 13-2 in favour of Halal threads in the short time you had to search properly illustrates the disproportionate nature of such discussions. The halal threads, and Muslim threads in general seems far more prevalent than most in GD.

Lots of people still believe fish don't feel pain or crustaceans. Let alone it's far less to do with welfare and more to do with sustainability.

I am not sure as to the relevance of this to this thread, but without researching it myself I would assume fish do feel pain in some form, as well as distress. As far as sustainability is concerned that is something else entirely.

Don't tell me what I meant, in the context of this thread it is painfully obvious what I meant.

That you habitually oppose ritual slaughter, regardless of method, so its a reasonable assumption to make. Perhaps you should be more clear if that isn't what you mean.

All ritual slaughter should be banned.

It needn't be any more difficult than that.

 

[Glaucus]

It's relevant as that's what the fish fight was about.

And most of the rebuttal is from halal sources.

Going past that shouldn't matter as we shouldn't be stunning Fallston, we should be killing. And anyone who doesn't like it should switch to vegetarian same with people who want a £2 chicken battery farmed.

 

[Castiel]

It's relevant as that's what the fish fight was about

I just do not see how its relevant to this particular issue.

And most of the rebuttal is from halal sources.

What I read was nothing to do with Halal but were concerned more with the perspective if the entire slaughter process and its effect on the animals welfare, with the emphasis on the restraint and treatment t if animals during the slaughter process rather than the actual killing itself..this illustrated that there are serious questions regarding the entire process has on the animal and that it can be significant in determining the animal welfare argument regarding slaughter methodology.

Going past that shouldn't matter as we shouldn't be stunning Fallston, we should be killing. And anyone who doesn't like it should switch to vegetarian same with people who want a £2 chicken battery farmed.

I do not know what fallston is...perhaps you could reword so I can reply?

 

[Nitefly]

I find it kind of funny that such a big moral deal is made out of how the animal is killed. The fact of actually killing of the animal though, well, that's just fine and dandy!

 

[Akagi]

I find it kind of funny that such a big moral deal is made out of how the animal is killed. The fact of actually killing of the animal though, well, that's just fine and dandy!

Well lets all become vegetarians.

In seriousness, slaughter is something that happens and will continue to happen. Its the way the world works. Whether or not it should be that way is an entirely different argument.

But if you *had* to die, would you prefer for example, a lethal injection and a death that feels like you are drifting away until there is nothingness, or to have your throat slit and be allowed to writhe around on the floor in agony as you slowly bleed to death?

Exactly.

 

[RDM]

I find it kind of funny that such a big moral deal is made out of how the animal is killed. The fact of actually killing of the animal though, well, that's just fine and dandy!

You have to balance animal welfare against how damn tasty bacon is!

 

[[FnG]magnolia]

The thread title set the bar which the subsequent posts could never match.

 

[Nitefly]

But if you *had* to die, would you prefer for example, a lethal injection and a death that feels like you are drifting away until there is nothingness, or to have your throat slit and be allowed to writhe around on the floor in agony as you slowly bleed to death?

Exactly.

I understand your sentiment, but that's not really comparable for an array of moral reasons! To save a pointless sidetrack, ultimately yes, I'd rather an animal had the least painful death in the process of being slaughtered for meat. But...

You have to balance animal welfare against how damn tasty bacon is!

Exactly, that is what it all boils down to

And when you put it like that, the whole issue begins to look a bit silly. If you care that much about the moral wellbeing of animals, then you shouldn't be eating meat.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

I understand your sentiment, but that's not really comparable for an array of moral reasons! To save a pointless sidetrack, ultimately yes, I'd rather an animal had the least painful death in the process of being slaughtered for meat. But...


Exactly, that is what it all boils down to

And when you put it like that, the whole issue begins to look a bit silly. If you care that much about the moral wellbeing of animals, then you shouldn't be eating meat.

Indeed. This argument about morality is like arguing the machines in the Matrix are totally justified in their human farms because it's 'humane' and 'they wouldn't have a life at all otherwise!'.

 

[Tefal]

If you care that much about the moral wellbeing of animals, then you shouldn't be eating meat.

really?

Do you eat meat?

would you eat meat if the animal lived in incredibly inhumane conditions like staked veal?

and an interesting relation would be.

pets animals kept for entertainment.

if you morally approve of pets then must you also approve of animals used inc circuses etc regardless of treatment?


or can you sensibly see that there shouldn't really be unnecessary suffering.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

really?

Do you eat meat?

would you eat meat if the animal lived in incredibly inhumane conditions like staked veal?

and an interesting relation would be.

pets animals kept for entertainment.

if you morally approve of pets then must you also approve of animals used inc circuses etc regardless of treatment?

or can you sensibly see that there shouldn't really be unnecessary suffering.

Nope, completely different. The pet in theory never suffers. The animal raised for slaughter, you have alluded to, but been too afraid to write 'necessary suffering'. That final step is still suffering, whether you want to dress it up with a pretty bow or not and highlight all the ickle cuddles you gave it first to make yourself feel better.

 

[badcompany]

You have to balance animal welfare against how damn tasty bacon is!

Bacon trumps all but no pigs are ritually slaughtered to appease a sky fairy.

 

[Gilly]

As with many things in life, everything would be so much simpler if everyone cared just a little less.

Less?

Could not be more wrong. It would be much simpler if everyone cared just a little more about their fellow man, and not about insignificant things.

 

[Danthus]

I watched a video yesterday of Halal slaughter, they should put that on the news for everyone to see.

 

[Gilly]

I agree, and I want referring to everyone as I'm sure you realise..but there is a significant proportion of people (and media) who are fuelling this not because of animal welfare, but anti-Muslim rhetoric.

Could not agree more.

 

[Sho]

Why do people keep saying Halal? Why not use the Jew version, Kosher?

Thread should be renamed to:

Kosher, Is it meat you're looking for?

Let me guess, lets not use the word Kosher, as it will upset the Jew community. Now we don't want to be upsetting them now, do we?

 

[robgmun]

Why do people keep saying Halal? Why not use the Jew version, Kosher?

Thread should be renamed to:

Kosher, Is it meat you're looking for?

Let me guess, lets not use the word Kosher, as it will upset the Jew community. Now we don't want to be upsetting them now, do we?

No it's because it wouldn't fit the word pun with the song Hello, or did you not get that?

I'm almost exclusively eat Pork these days anyway with the occasional chicken from Waitrose. So no messing with my meat there thanks

 

[Danthus]

Why do people keep saying Halal? Why not use the Jew version, Kosher?

Thread should be renamed to:

Kosher, Is it meat you're looking for?

Let me guess, lets not use the word Kosher, as it will upset the Jew community. Now we don't want to be upsetting them now, do we?

Oh dear.

You might want to Google Lionel Richie.