Soldato
Can I just commend the OP on the quality of the thread title. First class sir, well done!
Halal, is it meat you're looking for?
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What about banning it on humane grounds?
That would apply to all slaughter.
Thanks for clearing that up. There really needs to be correct labeling introduced, I would draw the line at non-stunned. Do you think the non-halal meat industry will move towards killing rather than stunning? I suppose the main factor is cost to change equipment and Government legislation?
In the very long term yes, in the short to medium term no.
Animal welfare is extremely slow progress, we only banned battery chicken farms a few years ago. Not that the new standard is great. But any progress is better than non.
If you are going to allow the slaughter of animals then surely it should be done in the most humane way possible.
Agreed and I eat veal.
You could say that the animal welfare reasons extend to the entire life cycle of the animal and given that ritual slaughter is as or more humane overall than intensive farming and slaughter techniques what're stunned or not..not to mention that the figures of non-stunned animals getting slaughtered in mechanical slaughterhouses is not far off that of non stunned halal in this country. Personally I say stun everything, but then I'm not so convinced as to the animal welfare angle regarding kosher slaughter (which is the predominant non stun technique) insofar that is equates to a significant amount of pain or distress as opposed to a conventional slaughterhouse which has quite a bit of distress to go around.
The animal welfare argument is pretty weak, why not just say that people are actually more concerned about it being Muslims than the actual slaughter method which would be closer to the truth.
The entire life cycle of the animal should be considered then..and it's not. There is also significant dispute over whether mechanised slaughter is more humane than other methods to begin with.
Would it?
Or were willing to pay a little more.
Caporegime
I hadn't seen the update as hadn't found that yet. However this is inconsistent with the part where they sat2 they only approve the miniscule amps method on another page. Presumably that refers to the pre 2014 measures? Perhaps6 they just haven't updated that part of their website.
The welfare is not weak, you also still haven't provided any evidence that the welfare whilst alive is followed. as halal meat is in the cheapest takeaways. I find it hard to believe this is followed.
And yes animal welfare should and is applied across the entire range.
And yes animal welfare should and is applied across the entire range.
Yep. Before the furore over immigration and islamification etc, no one care a darn about ritual slaughter...kosher foods were generally left to the Jewish communities to worry about. No one else cared. (Except perhaps a few militant vegans).
I'm not saying everyone, but the outrage is predominately aimed at the Muslim community which tells its own story.
You just needed to read the information given quite prominently on the website. In any case they comply with the EU regs.
It tells you halal is being used by companies routinely, kosher isn't. Most likely to the small Jewish population.
It's also coming out mire and more than more companies are using it as standard. Has one single company said they sale kosher meat unlabelled?
So in no way can you blame it solely on such things.
Also which you've ignored again, if you Google news articles this is nothing new it's been going on for decades trying to get it banned.
Its just reared it's head once again.
So lets remove the requirement to stun from all slaughter if it matters so little?
Certainly true of some posters, but it isn't true of all posters. I have no issue with halal slaughter where the animal is stunned. I do however feel that it should be labelled to allow people to make an informed choice. Technically by not labelling it you are trampling over Sikh's religious rights after all. (Though that doesn't seem to be all that important).
I haven't blamed it solely on anything...and it is predominantly centred on halal, which is ironically predominantly stunned prior to slaughter.
All the News articles I can see are fairly recent (within the last 20 years), perhaps you can link one from before 1990?
20 years isn't several decades?
Of course it's mainly centred on halal, all though kosher is mentioned a lot in such articles.
A) kosher as far as we are aware isn't being sold as normal meat.
B) hasn't had high publicity companies come out and say they are using exclusively kosher.
So it is not surprising at all and nothing to do with anti Muslim. Although some people do go that way. But that's always the case. With those two points it's not surprising in the least articles are titles halal and only briefly mention kosher. so it's far from ironic. As it's easy to avoid kosher as far as we are aware.
I think we should be looking at the entire intensive farming industry to really address animal welfare...targeting a very small minority slaughter technique on,y raises questions about the motivation of animal welfare advocates.
I agree, and I want referring to everyone as I'm sure you realise..but there is a significant proportion of people (and media) who are fuelling this not because of animal welfare, but anti-Muslim rhetoric.