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Halo Infinite GPU Performance

nvidiamd said:
It is not the same thing, Alex from DF is very biased towards Nvidia. To the point that he won't even mention FSR ( for example he twitted that HZD got DLSS without mentioning that it also got FSR, and FSR is good news for a lot of people, no matter what our opinion of FSR is ). Same for the recent tweet about God of War. Or his "dissapointment" about FC6 not getting DLSS, even if i am sure he understands how these partnerships between a game dev and video cards manufacturers work.
Well maybe he doesn't understand because if a game ( like CP2077 or Metro Exodus ) was not getting FSR he argued that FSR is bad anyway, instead of telling people the truth ( that just like in the case of FC6 and AMD, Nvidia paid these developers to have exclusivity for a while). :)
Very dishonest individual in my opinion.
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Yes agree 100%. Don't have any concerns about bias with HUB (other than the fact all their RDNA2 numbers are lower than they should be due to disabling SAM) but Alex is blatantly biased. It is what it is.
 
nvidiamd said:
It is not the same thing, Alex from DF is very biased towards Nvidia. To the point that he won't even mention FSR ( for example he twitted that HZD got DLSS without mentioning that it also got FSR, and FSR is good news for a lot of people, no matter what our opinion of FSR is ). Same for the recent tweet about God of War. Or his "dissapointment" about FC6 not getting DLSS, even if i am sure he understands how these partnerships between a game dev and video cards manufacturers work.
Well maybe he doesn't understand because if a game ( like CP2077 or Metro Exodus ) was not getting FSR he argued that FSR is bad anyway, instead of telling people the truth ( that just like in the case of FC6 and AMD, Nvidia paid these developers to have exclusivity for a while). :)
Very dishonest individual in my opinion.
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Yeah fair point about Alex. I think a large part of his biasness comes down to ray tracing and dlss tech., which ultimately only nvidia currently do (in terms of dlss) and do very well now, the real test for his bias thoughts will be when/if RDNA 3 comes with superior RT perf. and DLSS competitor.
 
Nexus18 said:
Yeah fair point about Alex. I think a large part of his biasness comes down to ray tracing and dlss tech., which ultimately only nvidia currently do (in terms of dlss) and do very well now, the real test for his bias thoughts will be when/if RDNA 3 comes with superior RT perf. and DLSS competitor.
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Can be but can also be the egg and the chicken problem ( he became "RT radical" because Nvidia promotes RT ) :D
Tried now HZD with FSR on my old laptop with 860GT and it is oversharpened but the frames are going to the roof. :)
I can see myself replaying the game this way at some point, without having to fire up a >500W desktop PC.
 
Twinz said:
I get that some people may want HUB to use different test methods, but implying that they are Nvidia shills or anti-AMD doesn't match up with their track record.

They downplayed ray tracing so hard that Nvidia threatened them.

They also discovered the Nvidia driver-overhead issue and made a video dedicated to the subject at a time when I had heard nothing of the issue from any of the big youtube channels.

They also switched to AMD-based test rigs before AMD got the gaming crown (3000 series) because viewers asked for it.

Heck, they are still black listed by ASRock and I just saw a video where they gave two of their motherboards positive assements. ASRock blacklisted them and HUB still seems to give their products a fair shake.

They trashed MSI's X570 motherboards when the VRMs couldn't handle overclocked Ryzen 9's and then positively reviewed MSI's newer motherboards that performed better.

They seem to just call it like they see it.

This is just off the top of my head, too. I'm sure there's more examples of them not favoring nvidia or intel over AMD and positivly reviewing AMD's stuff. (I seem to recall Steve being very positive on zen 5000)
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Good points, and the reason why I am so confused about their doubling down on the "no SAM/ReBAR" position. I think they trashed my Asus VG27AQ in a review a couple of years ago, while it looks great to me, and I still follow them because they seemed to be mostly unbiased with good testing protocol, before this.
 
gpuerrilla said:
Hmm referencing another shill source as an example: Jayz2cents also he is blatantly biased so much that anything positive about AMD or negative about nvidia is said through gritted teeth. :cry: So its fair game if communities fancy having a pop at them when they screw up - just like when they call out the vendors!
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I thought Jayz2cents had done a fair review of the 6900XT when it came out. I'll have to go back and look. but yeah, he has a dozen Nvidia cards around the shop and I don't see him doing a lot with AMD cards. But I seem to recall before the 12900K got popular that he had used AMD processors fairly. I could be getting him mixed up with someone else though on the processor part. regardless, I watch him, and HUB, LTT and GN, and Paul's Harware and BitWit a lot. I get a lot of news and rumors from Moores law is dead and gamer meld too, but their voices don't match the face, LOL.
 
DocJekl said:
I thought Jayz2cents had done a fair review of the 6900XT when it came out.
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From what i remember he said the 6900xt he received from AMD was somehow broken ( or it had broken drivers ). I don't have the same opinion as gpuerrilla about Jay, i remember when HU were banned by Nvidia he also made a video where he told us how much he hates Nvidia ( so he could also be considered biased against Nvidia ), but i remember he had problems in the 6900xt review.
Here is the 6900xt review:
And here is the video he made after HU were banned:
Very harsh watch it after 13:30.
 
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@nvidiamd I used to watch feeds quite often as they were recommended (by the algo) as I never subbed, it was OK for a while. But I grew tired of the stereotypical blue/green easymode worshipping most of them fall into. He regularly has a pop at any given opportunity at AMDs dGPU's, and normally I would let it slide but since they put a big gap closing move when rdna2 came about I thought he was way too strong on dismissing them and through gritted teeth didn't concede when nvidia's first wave of flagships had that voltage issue (CTD). He basically sucks them off. Only gets on the bandwagon after something happens like when HU got broadsided by nvidia.

In fact now that we see the 6900 beating the 3090 in some games I am waiting for him to put something out pro AMD... oh look at them pigs flying past! :)

I mean look at the first minute and half of this video and his attitude is already half assed can tell he doesn't like them. Then two months later tries to make up for it.
 
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nvidiamd said:
From what i remember he said the 6900xt he received from AMD was somehow broken ( or it had broken drivers ). I don't have the same opinion as gpuerrilla about Jay, i remember when HU were banned by Nvidia he also made a video where he told us how much he hates Nvidia ( so he could also be considered biased against Nvidia ), but i remember he had problems in the 6900xt review.
Here is the 6900xt review:
And here is the video he made after HU were banned:
Very harsh watch it after 13:30.
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I guess I was thinking of this review: 6800/6800XT, not 6900XT - this was back before the Radeon drivers matured and had bumped performance quite noticeably (they really took off this summer). He was very forgiving of driver bugs in "Control" the game. He was really excited for what was coming to AMD.

His 6900XT review was a month later in Dec 2020, when the Radeon drivers were holding it back - and he was still fair to it. He stayed to the facts. He noted that the drivers weren't even "release versions"and the card was power limited. And despite the issues, he still recommended an AMD card, the 6800 instead, until AMD fixed the issues. He praised the hardware as "solid".

AMD has been improving more over time than Nvidia. The 3090 was scoring 20,286 on his Time Spy GPU portion back then, and even now the best my son sees with his EK water blocked Gaming X Trio 3090 is just over 21,000 on the latest Nvidia driver (I get 21013 with my 3080Ti). Back then Jayz 6900XT scored 18,559 due t poor drivers, and now my air cooled Sapphire hits 22,081 with the latest drivers on Dec 3rd, which is 3500 points higher for me since I got it 6 months ago, but I can still almost keep up with my son's 3090 without any OC if I just turn up power limit to +15 for 303W (mine does 264W otherwise, lame).

He still didn't give up on AMD, by doing an overclocking 6900XT video in April 2021 - but he didn't bump the power limit with something like MPT, so he didn't have a chance. Heck, I'm still at 303W power limit myself, and I'm beating my son's watercooled 3090:
 
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DocJekl said:
I guess I was thinking of this review: 6800/6800XT, not 6900XT - this was back before the Radeon drivers matured and had bumped performance quite noticeably (they really took off this summer). He was very forgiving of driver bugs in "Control" the game. He was really excited for what was coming to AMD.

His 6900XT review was a month later in Dec 2020, when the Radeon drivers were holding it back - and he was still fair to it. He stayed to the facts. He noted that the drivers weren't even "release versions"and the card was power limited. And despite the issues, he still recommended an AMD card, the 6800 instead, until AMD fixed the issues. He praised the hardware as "solid".

AMD has been improving more over time than Nvidia. The 3090 was scoring 20,286 on his Time Spy GPU portion back then, and even now the best my son sees with his EK water blocked Gaming X Trio 3090 is just over 21,000 on the latest Nvidia driver (I get 21013 with my 3080Ti). Back then Jayz 6900XT scored 18,559 due t poor drivers, and now my air cooled Sapphire hits 22,081 with the latest drivers on Dec 3rd, which is 3500 points higher for me since I got it 6 months ago, but I can still almost keep up with my son's 3090 without any OC if I just turn up power limit to +15 for 303W (mine does 264W otherwise, lame).

He still didn't give up on AMD, by doing an overclocking 6900XT video in April 2021 - but he didn't bump the power limit with something like MPT, so he didn't have a chance. Heck, I'm still at 303W power limit myself, and I'm beating my son's watercooled 3090:
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I think he's just a lot more used to the nVidia toolset than the AMD one and their nuances when it comes to overclocking.
 
Harlequin said:
Its funny when a home user bought one and immediately got a better score than jay could get
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Just behind the persona he doesn't really like AMD and it shows. He would hardly be an impartial reviewer in my books anyway. Without these guys disclosing their agreements or some quasi-transparency to it there will always be a cloud over it.
 
gpuerrilla said:
Just behind the persona he doesn't really like AMD and it shows. He would hardly be an impartial reviewer in my books anyway. Without these guys disclosing their agreements or some quasi-transparency to it there will always be a cloud over it.
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I never got that feeling though, when watching his videos. I mean I'd watch video and he'd talk about facts that might not be so good for AMD, but didn't seem to dislike AMD for that alone. He did once say that Nvidia had a paper launch for their 30 series while the paper for the AMD paper launch didn't launch.

He just did a 6700XT build for a friend's kid's birthday the other day. He could have picked a 3060Ti or something.
 
gpuerrilla said:
Like I said:

Maybe I pick up these vibes quicker than most, but Im not saying you cant like the guy. His humour is ok, still think he sold out a long time back, not sure how long back you have been on his content.. @DocJekl
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I’ve been watching Jay since around May 2020. I was watching Linus tech tips for years, but didn’t start watching other YouTube tech channels until May of last year before building my first PC in 15 years. Prior to that I hadn’t built a PC since 2005, and my newest PC was a Lenovo Yoga 720 2-in-1 from 2017 that can’t game at all.
 
So, after all this fuss, I got this game on gamepass for the £1 offer & expected loads of problems & it's actually fine, good looking, runs well & basically no issues ? That's a 6800, last-gen Ryzen CPU, playing at '4k' but with (I think) dynamic res scaling. But anyway, it looks great & seems pretty fun so far. Haven't got to the open world yet, to be fair.
Will it be my CPU or GPU that lets me down there, or neither, given that I'm targeting 4k 60 fps ?


Actually, when I say fine, the Microsoft game ecosystem was as crap as ever. It had done it's constumary thing of all it's games stop working, including Flight, which I've had installed forever. And wouldn't let me install Halo. Queue some command line crap, loging in & out & I'm finally able to play games I've installed & install new ones. Steam, GOG etc never give me this nonsense. So Microsoft game platform is still crap, but Halo gave me no problems.
 
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