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I might be mistaking things but, didn't Rosberg finish ahead of Button in like 7 out of the first 8 races?

The Merc has mostly not done too well as they have been out developed throughout the year, but they were relatively close for basically the entire first half of the season. Or I should say Merc's second best driver was noticeably ahead of Mclarens second best driver.. who had a better car. The second half of the season, its hard to say. When you look at Schumi beating Rosberg to pieces in all but one race and his DNF's ruining his season(most not his fault). Put Hamilton in that car with Rosberg's luck and he'd have more points than Button does so far this season. Hamilton is simply quite a bit better than an aged Schumi and a really quite poor season having Rosberg.

The Merc isn't nearly as bad as some are making out, and that is considering they don't have a top driver. For a lot of the season Hamilton was just getting more than anyone but Alonso could have gotten out of that car, if he wasn't there but with Merc, Mclaren WOULD look worse than they do now and Merc would look better.

Does anyone think Ferrari would look massively worse if Alonso wasn't there, and basically any team in the paddock wouldn't be doing better with him in their team, be it Mclaren or Force India, or anything inbetween. I have no doubt that if Alonso or Hamilton were driving the Merc this year, they've have WAY more points than Rosberg does.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I might be mistaking things but, didn't Rosberg finish ahead of Button in like 7 out of the first 8 races?

The Merc has mostly not done too well as they have been out developed throughout the year, but they were relatively close for basically the entire first half of the season. Or I should say Merc's second best driver was noticeably ahead of Mclarens second best driver.. who had a better car. The second half of the season, its hard to say. When you look at Schumi beating Rosberg to pieces in all but one race and his DNF's ruining his season(most not his fault). Put Hamilton in that car with Rosberg's luck and he'd have more points than Button does so far this season. Hamilton is simply quite a bit better than an aged Schumi and a really quite poor season having Rosberg.

The Merc isn't nearly as bad as some are making out, and that is considering they don't have a top driver. For a lot of the season Hamilton was just getting more than anyone but Alonso could have gotten out of that car, if he wasn't there but with Merc, Mclaren WOULD look worse than they do now and Merc would look better.

Does anyone think Ferrari would look massively worse if Alonso wasn't there, and basically any team in the paddock wouldn't be doing better with him in their team, be it Mclaren or Force India, or anything inbetween. I have no doubt that if Alonso or Hamilton were driving the Merc this year, they've have WAY more points than Rosberg does.
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yea no doubt if hamilton was in the merc it wouldnt be eating its tyres and it would have won the WDC already.

its blatantly obvious alonso left mclaren without his 3 tenths and im fairly confident hamilton found them stuffed down the back of a seat.

we can ignore all the fundamental issues mercedes have got wrong over the years its obviously the drivers.

  • weight distribution wrong
  • car covered in more gills than jaws
  • car eating its own tyres
  • car with an incredibly narrow setup window
  • we are giving up on this years car to get a jump on the other teams by shifting all development to next years car (heard this one twice)
  • failing to understand the car or the tyres and still dont
  • we are stopping development of the car and concentrating on understanding the tyres
  • we are focusing on setup work as we are convinced the car is capable of winning
  • maybe not developing the car like everyone else wasnt the best idea
  • we dont need the clever exhausts blowing the diffuser area as we are convinced there is more time to be found elsewhere
  • poor timing in qualifying and missing a flying lap on more than one occasion
  • multiple poor strategy decisions every year (just wait if you think mclarens have made some bad decisions you havent seen anything yet)

and probably plenty more i have forgot since mercedes joined f1 many of which are repeated season after season

if you didnt notice mercedes nearly always have to do atleast 1 extra pitstop over the other teams and its not because they dont have jensons smooth driving style in the cockpit
hjow often do you see msc and rosberg cruising around like a snail for 3-5 laps before they finally are allowed to pit for fresh tyres?

what happened to the DDRS advantage merc had in qualifying? where did it disapear to as its still on the car
 
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Well RedBull did it? Why can't Merc do it? They got plenty of money. One of the biggest brains in F1 running their team and now have 1 of the best drivers on the grid.

My hopes are high.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I might be mistaking things but, didn't Rosberg finish ahead of Button in like 7 out of the first 8 races?

The Merc has mostly not done too well as they have been out developed throughout the year, but they were relatively close for basically the entire first half of the season. Or I should say Merc's second best driver was noticeably ahead of Mclarens second best driver.. who had a better car. The second half of the season, its hard to say. When you look at Schumi beating Rosberg to pieces in all but one race and his DNF's ruining his season(most not his fault). Put Hamilton in that car with Rosberg's luck and he'd have more points than Button does so far this season. Hamilton is simply quite a bit better than an aged Schumi and a really quite poor season having Rosberg.

The Merc isn't nearly as bad as some are making out, and that is considering they don't have a top driver. For a lot of the season Hamilton was just getting more than anyone but Alonso could have gotten out of that car, if he wasn't there but with Merc, Mclaren WOULD look worse than they do now and Merc would look better.

Does anyone think Ferrari would look massively worse if Alonso wasn't there, and basically any team in the paddock wouldn't be doing better with him in their team, be it Mclaren or Force India, or anything inbetween. I have no doubt that if Alonso or Hamilton were driving the Merc this year, they've have WAY more points than Rosberg does.
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Alonso would automatically improve any team, with his consistency and his awareness.

The Mercedes haven't been bad, but certainly not up to front running pace. They are regularly 30+ seconds off the leaders.

Whilst I believe that all things being equal, Hamilton is a faster driver than Rosberg, I personally don't think that Hamilton will dominate Rosberg.

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Wonder why Mclaren said they built the car around Lewis?
I thought it was still like the old ferrari days when they built the car around MSC.
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Oddly enough, in previous seasons McLaren have stated the car is always built to the largest driver. At McLaren that's button. Who knows what they're up to.
 
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After calming down from the "OMG what the hell?" reaction, I think DC has pretty much got it spot on here:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mo...shadows-with-inevitable-move-to-Mercedes.html

He is right about the natural conclusion thing. I think everyone realised that Hamilton wasn't going to spend his entire career at McLaren, so it was more a case of when he would leave, not if. And the living at home analogy is a good one. He is now well and truly on his own, making his own way, without daddy or the family around to support him. It will be make or break for him, but he needs to be on his own to do it. I'm slowly coming round to the idea. My major concern is still the team though. If they still continue to deliver mediocre cars then its going to be tough time for all.

He makes a good point about Perez and Button too. Being beaten by Perez will certain kick Jenson up the butt a bit and should drive him to improve even more. Like I said before he even joined McLaren, I think Button was happy to be behind Lewis. He wont be happy to be behind Perez.

And he also makes a good point about Di Resta. The 'British Team' horse has been flogged to death. Bringing in another driver who is British just because he is British was a bit of a stretch. But I hope Di Resta goes somewhere soon though, as Force India look to be falling backwards rapidly.
 
deuse said:
Welcome to friday ;) and already posted

"But Lewis didn't come here because we offered more money - because we didn't," Brawn told Sky"
That puts LEWIS WANT'S MORE MONEY" to rest
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Yes, Lewis wasn't after the money alone he wanted his intellectual property rights which McLaren wouldn't let him have, they don't even let their drivers keep the trophies. I believe Mclaren offered him a pay cut so Mercedes didn't have to offer any more money.

Andi.
 
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And he also makes a good point about Di Resta. The 'British Team' horse has been flogged to death. Bringing in another driver who is British just because he is British was a bit of a stretch. But I hope Di Resta goes somewhere soon though, as Force India look to be falling backwards rapidly.
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Agreed. McLaren marketing themselves as a British team with British sponsors and British drivers was getting a bit samey. By having a South American in the team, they've changed their appeal. And I wonder if McLaren might start bigging up returning to Mexico for a GP soon? Especially if a certain Mexican billionaire wants the Mexican GP back on the calendar! ;)
 
A Mexican GP is a serious possibility, isn't it? Bernie's been looking at a few options and talking to key people. Perez doing well up the top could be the final incentive seal it.
 
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A Mexican GP is a serious possibility, isn't it? Bernie's been looking at a few options and talking to key people. Perez doing well up the top could be the final incentive seal it.
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Yep. I'm too young to have watched/seen the old Mexico GP track but we've now got a Mexican at a top team and he's got close links to Telmex and Carlos Slim. Surely Carlos loves the idea of Sergio taking part in the Telmex Mexico GP? :cool: He'd probably happily pay for the GP fees and any work needing doing to the old track to bring it up to F1 standards. It's a marketing dream for Mexico if it ever goes ahead.
 
Is that the track with the baseball stadium on the inside of one of the corners? I think thats a bit past it. Hopefully they could get the interest to warrant a new track, and then hire someone other than Tilke to build it.
 
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