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Hamilton to Mercedes? BBC
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leave a team thats capable of multiple wins pretty much every year and usually a title contender for a team thats often struggled to get into q3 and often struggle to finish in the top 10 come race day ?
a team thats changed almost everything during the last 3 years without any improvement over year 1.
the only thing left they didnt change was the drivers which obviously arent at fault unless you think hamilton is half a second quicker than ros/msc and that its them killing the tyres and not the car.
i guess when hamilton fails to extract performance from the car that isnt there in the the first place brawn will get swapped for someone else.
its honda all over again throwing random people/money at a team doesnt win championships
Yes fine, Mclaren win races and Mercedes are struggling but it's pretty narrow minded to think that is the only consideration.
Money, future potential, faith in the team structure and leadership are others, but I think the greatest would be the need for change and for a new challenge.
Those last two reasons are enough to make many people change, especially those in Hamilton's position
forgive me for assuming a racing driver would want to put himself in the best possible position for winning races.
going to be so much fun next year
He clearly thinks he has
Either way, 2013 is going to be interesting!
From what I have read if Hamilton only made his final decision after Monza then McLaren have moved pretty swiftly to sign Perez in the space of a fortnight. Either that or Whitmarsh and his 'no plan B' comment a few weeks ago was little more than Hamilton ego stroking and the guy is far smarter than he looks.
I think the Perez move happened quickly. He was talking about Ferrari, then went a bit quiet and was saying he was happy to stay at Sauber, then a couple of weeks back started saying he felt he was ready for a top team (which Duke started a thread on I think) and then signs for McLaren. I think it must have happened in the last couple of weeks.
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I can't say I'm suprised, he left Mclaren.. except, the suprise is it's for Mercedes 
As soon as the gearbox died in Singapore, you could tell he was out of there. Here's hoping he can finish the current season strongly, as winning won't be so easy in the dog of a Merc.
As soon as the gearbox died in Singapore, you could tell he was out of there. Here's hoping he can finish the current season strongly, as winning won't be so easy in the dog of a Merc.
Was that aimed at sunama? Because it seemed like a genuine question to me, I might be wrong though
Genuine question.
He is an old man (in F1 terms).
However, he has incredible marketing power. No doubt about it. He also has a massive fan base. Any lesser team who needs money and a decent driver (but can't afford a great driver), would certainly take him on. Sauber have a seat available, so he could be an option.
Merc have repeatedly mentioned that he is great at marketing.
From a performance perspective though, he has been beaten for 3 years in a row by Rosberg, who as yet, isn't too highly rated.
And I directed this at Arknor, not be bait him (I'm too old for that), but because on these forums, he does seem to know more abut Merc than anybody else.
And as for MSc going to Marussia - why not? A driver who is on the brink of retirement with his best years well behind him might find the Marussia team attractive, with a view to helping them develop a car and then moving into management or even team ownership (something that is possible, with a small/newish team). MSc has certainly reached an age where he should be thinking about going into management or running his own team. If anybody can attract talent (eg. drivers, engineers, designers, etc) to a team, still finding its feet, it would be MSc. MSc remains a huge name in motor-racing and I doubt he will squander the opportunities which may come with that name.
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Agreed 100%.
But, only Hamilton knows the true reasons for leaving. I'm sure he has thought well and hard about it all and made a calculated decision.
Just wait and see.
In one sense I can see the Marussia idea making sense, as MS would have a continued allegiance to the team (even though in a different capacity).
I just wonder how such a knowledgable driver (who historically likes to know everything possible) could be given a single year deal with the secrecy involved in f1 for a mid / leading team like Sauber. I just cant see the latter working.
Short term gain for potentially a long term drawback (I dont know whether the rule changes in 2014 would limit this or exaggerate this, but potentially the latter)
In regards to his Marketing skills - esp regarding Mercedes, the thing I wonder about is whether this is working at a better level because its a German driver in a German team (and whehter the team /board were happy because it was German national marketing figures they were referring to). Its a cynical thought admittedly, but would it work so well for Sauber (or anyone else)?
Chuckles @ "a little more" - the likes of CocaCola , Sony etc etc (which have been mentioned in articles regarding this move) arent going to be signing LH for peanuts. Over a three year deal, each additional sponsorship will be worth millions once Simon Fuller has anything to do with it.
You are right, it wont be double the amount, but it will be a lot more than "a little more" via other means.
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Well why else would you leave the most successful team in the last 40 years of F1 for one that has won a single GP in 3 years and is the spawn of a team that won the title the year before by most effectively exploiting a single year loop hole??
In all honesty there is no way the "Brawn magic" has attracted him and no way the promise of undisputed no.1 has been the big selling point, it really is down to the cash in his pocket.
I doubt Brawn is going to magic another championship dominating car in the next few years or that Rosberg is going to take being Rubens, Eddie or Massa for the rest of his career....
It'll end in tears, Hamiltons salty salty tears.
In all honesty there is no way the "Brawn magic" has attracted him and no way the promise of undisputed no.1 has been the big selling point, it really is down to the cash in his pocket.
I doubt Brawn is going to magic another championship dominating car in the next few years or that Rosberg is going to take being Rubens, Eddie or Massa for the rest of his career....
It'll end in tears, Hamiltons salty salty tears.
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Well it's looking more likely that 2014's engine regs are going to be scrapped or at least put back. Bernie is pushing for it and the article on pitpass which mentions the fia goign cap in hand for money to build a new headquarters is clearly bernies bargaining chip.
He's hating these engine regs, blaming Mosley, saying none of it is todts fault and then saying they are asking for a hand out. It's only going to end one way.
If that happens after Merc have invested so much into 2014, then Hamilton is up **** creek. So what information could he have based it on?
The rules are happening. The FIA make the rules, not Bernie, and the only people making a fuss are Bernie and Ferrari. There argument doesn't make any sense and they are just trying to stir up trouble. Apparently there is a growing rift between Todt and Bernie as Todt is taking control.
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