Harry and Meghan to resign

Colonel_Klinck said:
Some of the posters claiming the 60/70/80s generation weren't racist weren't even alive then. For those of us that were we can remember just how common and acceptable racist language was.
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I think there is a difference between racist language and racist insults. Racist language was more acceptable back then, by everyone i.e. including non-white people. Some might say people were speaking their true feelings more than being deliberately racist behind someones back, which tends to happen more these days.

It's interesting that some of the black reactors I watch on youtube are watching Mind Your Language, Love Thy Neighbour, and Rising Damp. Yesterday I was watching some Indian reactors reacting to Goodness Gracious Me.

One thing we hardly see these days is mixed music bands. We used to see them all the time in the 80s and 90s. Hardly any these days. I doubt we'd get a 'Scary Spice' in todays era.

I'd say these days the ethnic group doing the least racist language these days are white people. If you go and talk to some non-white groups and become close to them you'll see the politically correct mind set never reached them, or others who don't speak english.
 
jpaul said:
just because there is a veneer of reduction in racist language now, doesn't mean more pernicious racism still exists at same level/worse provoked by Huddersfield grooming, statue, brexit, cricket, police ....
80/90 had more violence generally provoked by football/drink generally.
It's like the incorrect portrayal of the AIDS from 80's, seen as something that was exclusively gay community concern - thats's BS
( I was introduced to comedy series two up two down over christmas and seemed very similar to the exposure of bigotry I've seen restrospectively in the likes of Alf Garnett. )
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You are never going to get rid of racism. Some people just always will be. No surprise that it got worse in the 10s when we had the hardships or austerity where its so easy to blame immigrants etc. We had the Brexit debacle off the back of that where the likes of Farage played to the xenophobic crowd and made it acceptable.

I'm not sure how old you are but today is nothing like the 70s and 80s. Football violence had little to do with racism, though many football hooligans like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon of that time used football as an excuse to fight while on other nights they'd go p*** bashing. A lot of the violence of the 80s was because of how ****** the country was. Millions unemployed, interest rates through the roof, people losing their homes right, left and centre. Thatcher destroying UK manufacturing, devastating whole towns and cities that had relied on these industries for generations and then telling them to get on their bikes to find work that didn't exist.

Till Death Us Do Part/Sickness and in Health wasn't racist, it mocked Alf Garnett who was racist, it was an anti racist message at a time when racist languge was still widespread, its the only reason Warren Mitchell agreed to play the character.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think there is a difference between racist language and racist insults. Racist language was more acceptable back then, by everyone i.e. including non-white people. Some might say people were speaking their true feelings more than being deliberately racist behind someones back, which tends to happen more these days.

It's interesting that some of the black reactors I watch on youtube are watching Mind Your Language, Love Thy Neighbour, and Rising Damp. Yesterday I was watching some Indian reactors reacting to Goodness Gracious Me.

One thing we hardly see these days is mixed music bands. We used to see them all the time in the 80s and 90s. Hardly any these days. I doubt we'd get a 'Scary Spice' in todays era.

I'd say these days the ethnic group doing the least racist language these days are white people. If you go and talk to some non-white groups and become close to them you'll see the politically correct mind set never reached them, or others who don't speak english.
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Times change. Bands like The Specials were a reaction of their time. Every generation is different, we expect to see a reflection of our youth in the next generation, just as our parents did of their youth in us but it doesn't happen and its great that it doesn't. It shows times move on, most of the time for the better but some times for worse but it isn't stagnant. I hear people talk about the youth of today exactly how my parents generation did for my generation and I can't help but laugh. Many became their parents without the insight to see it and no their parents weren't correct.
 
jpaul said:
I think his war comments are analogue to either Sellers/strangelove, bean/ronin, or recently Putins personality, perhaps we should haves sympathy though, maybe PTSD as suggested,
if he has a relationship with Meghan unbelievable she didn't intercede, unless she wants him to go for broke.
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She has him on remote and imo is milking the situation for every penny its worth. She wants bang for buck. Next it be the next book with both of them and season 2 of their show.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Times change. Bands like The Specials were a reaction of their time. Every generation is different, we expect to see a reflection of our youth in the next generation, just as our parents did of their youth in us but it doesn't happen and its great that it doesn't. It shows times move on, most of the time for the better but some times for worse but it isn't stagnant. I hear people talk about the youth of today exactly how my parents generation did for my generation and I can't help but laugh. Many became their parents without the insight to see it and no their parents weren't correct.
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I hear you on the generation talk. I find myself talking like that myself.

I have to wonder if part of peoples impression of the youth today is based on sensationalist media coverage. We hardly ever hear of the young people doing well in school and the job market. We tend to mainly hear about the anti-social types causing trouble.

I've always grown up with people from different ethnic and religious backgrounds. To me it is normal. When I was visiting the US years ago I was at a house party and remember looking around and noticing everyone was white. It actually made me feel a bit nervous. There was a different atmosphere. I think having true diversity in groups growing up is a good thing. But people shouldn't use it to have a go at each other all the time.

I don't subscribe to the opinion of racial superiority. All races are of equal status and value.

I think when it comes to insults, racial or general discrimination, it wouldn't be a big thing if the person being insulted could reply back. It's like with bullying in schools, a lot of people don't know how to reply back. I've always thought it would have been in the schools, and parents, interests to teach kids how to verbally defend themselves. Replying back with some quick witted banter can defuse a lot of situations.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
. Football violence had little to do with racism, though many football hooligans like Stephen Yaxley-Lennon of that time used football as an excuse to fight while on other nights they'd go p*** bashing.
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I meant racial violence relative to a generally more violent society in 80's/90s, isn't dissimilar to today's ratio.(strawman)
yes alf garnett's bigotry was mocked in the show, which the new series two up two down does too, now, so bigotry exposure/sensitivity was similar, when, genz haved the impression it was tolerated then.
 
Part of what is perceived as racism from the past is also because language that wasn't intended to insult is now considered insulting. Yes there was plenty of racism but some people can't separate language of the time and actual racism.

My mum is a prime example of someone who has lived her whole life in a massively white area. Doesn't have a racist bone in her body but will use language occasionally that isn't PC any more. You can see the awkwardness with it as well because it has changed a fair bit since she was young. She thought that coloured was the correct term instead of just calling someone black for example.
 
jpaul said:
I meant racial violence relative to a generally more violent society in 80's/90s, isn't dissimilar to today's ratio.(strawman)
yes alf garnett's bigotry was mocked in the show, which the new series two up two down does too, now, so bigotry exposure/sensitivity was similar, when, genz haved the impression it was tolerated then.
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Alf Garnett was the outlier though and not the norm.
 
It's more than a little bizarre when a senior Royal claiming to seek privacy and to distance both himself and his actress wife from the media's attention, goes on to publish a book in which he sees fit to tell the world of how he is circumcised, how and where he lost his virginity, and to rail about how many people he allgedly managed to kill during his brief military service.

In actual fact it's risible for a man seeking privacy to talk publicly of such things, and makes a mockery of all he has said of the media attention he and his wife claim to abhor.

I await the media coy Meghan to publish details of her intimate piercings, tattoos and a verbatim account of her mucky pillow talk ;)
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Alf Garnett was the outlier though and not the norm.
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The thing is those prgrams were taking the micky out of racists, misogynist and such at the time but people some how considered it to be acceptable language because it was on a TV show. It wasnt acceptable and that was the point of the shows. The racists were always made out to be think idiots never the heros.

The message was it wasnt acceptable just common.
 
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BowdonUK said:
One thing we hardly see these days is mixed music bands. We used to see them all the time in the 80s and 90s. Hardly any these days. I doubt we'd get a 'Scary Spice' in todays era.
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This is one of those classic bizarre assertions you see on the internet which is made so confidently but would probably collapse under the slightest scrutiny.
 
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One More Solo said:
This is one of those classic bizarre assertions you see on the internet which is made so confidently but would probably collapse under the slightest scrutiny.
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collapse it then .. yes I thought ska music was reputed to have created a black white fusion - reggae&punk ? maybe both with a common sense of nihilism about economic situation,
but such unification in music surely propogates elsewhere in society - the specials, ub40, pil, beat .. ok not 100%ska
 
Is the challenge to name four current bands that have non-white members? Bloc Party, Metronomy, Groove Armada, The Libertines…

The reason we saw mixed groups all the time in the 90s is because the Spice Girls were one and were bloody massive. Slim pickings outside of that.
 
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I couldn't care less but after the latest media spin on him and his book grab is have into ginger ****** land but its fine if he keeps on popping at the royal family to hopefully bring us a republic quicker :)
 
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