Has making a pass at a woman just become illegal?

Sankari said:
Sexual harassment has been illegal for a long time. Nobody should be making passes at women in the first place.
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This is bizarre, making a pass in itself is not an act of sexual harassment, maybe if the guy doesn't take no for an answer then that's different. I imagine its pretty tricky for young guys to navigate as it is without the fear of coming across as a sex pest. Are they only allowed to communicate with the opposite sex via eHarmony etc?

Many of the posts in this thread have conflated everyday interactions with being a sex pest which isn't really what its about, its a separate list of actions which are massively open to interpretation. I'm all for women to be able to go about their business without being subjected to harassment but there needs to be a bit of balance and I might be proved wrong but I just don't think these proposals are the way to do it. Maybe education earlier on how not to be a crappy person? But maybe that's too much to ask as there are plenty of people out there who don't behave in an acceptable way.
 
Damn it. Why didn't I read this thread earlier? I got my flirt on with a nurse yesterday and tomorrow we're meeting up for a coffee/drink. Am I going to get sent down now?
 
Chris Wilson said:
The new Bill, due for its final report stage in the House of Commons on Friday, will make it an offence to cause “intentional harassment, alarm or distress” to a person in public based on their sex. Offenders will face a maximum of two years in jail.
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Although this is perhaps targeted at wolf-whistling and other generally lame attempts at picking up women in the street who are otherwise going about their day I wonder how it can be tallied with the whole trans rights vs radical feminists battles that happen seemingly every time some of the latter group of women gather to meet or hear a speaker.

If a builder/white van driver whistling, beeping, or shouting out lewd comments is potentially causing alarm or destress to the point where law enforcement need be involved then presumably also things like:

"TERF scum off our streets", or posters saying "Suck my ****", "Punch TERFs" etc.. directed by trans rights protestors to feminist gathering/meeting would cause even more harassment, alarm or distress.

Gotta wonder if this law will be selectively enforced though - cracking down on that, arguably even more threatening, behaviour doesn't prevent protesting as protesting doesn't necessitate screaming abuse or attempting to intimidate others.... just as approaching women/making a pass doesn't necessitate following them when they're not interested or shouting out lewd comments at them or whistling etc..
 
dowie said:
Although this is perhaps targeted at wolf-whistling and other generally lame attempts at picking up women in the street who are otherwise going about their day I wonder how it can be tallied with the whole trans rights vs radical feminists battles that happen seemingly every time some of the latter group of women gather to meet or hear a speaker.

If a builder/white van driver whistling, beeping, or shouting out lewd comments is potentially causing alarm or destress to the point where law enforcement need be involved then presumably also things like:

"TERF scum off our streets", or posters saying "Suck my ****", "Punch TERFs" etc.. directed by trans rights protestors to feminist gathering/meeting would cause even more harassment, alarm or distress.

Gotta wonder if this law will be selectively enforced though - cracking down on that, arguably even more threatening, behaviour doesn't prevent protesting as protesting doesn't necessitate screaming abuse or attempting to intimidate others.... just as approaching women/making a pass doesn't necessitate following them when they're not interested or shouting out lewd comments at them or whistling etc..
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It's potentially an ill thought out minefield. Unnecessary and open to abuse and misinterpretation, covered totally adequately by a raft of existing legislation. In other words, bleedin' typical current day nonsense ...
 
potatolord said:
Yeah, that's the thing.

I might have approached a woman in a club, had a bit of a chat and, if turned down, I'd just laugh it off.

I'm pretty sure that would be outside the scope of this legislation.

I get scope creep, and all that, but don't see it's an issue for non-lunatics.
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100% this.
 
potatolord said:
Yeah, that's the thing.

I might have approached a woman in a club, had a bit of a chat and, if turned down, I'd just laugh it off.

I'm pretty sure that would be outside the scope of this legislation.

I get scope creep, and all that, but don't see it's an issue for non-lunatics.
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Your mistake is assuming judges are competent and acting without prejudice.
 
Dis86 said:
Your mistake is assuming judges are competent and acting without prejudice.
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I don't see I'm making any mistake.

I don't see why so many posters here are concerned by this proposed legislation.

If I have any time tomorrow, I'll skim read the bill and give you my views, for what they're worth.
 
Fun loving men, let's face it, this law is a
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Spannerhead said:
thank god that the police have lots of time and resources to investigate this terrible crime of cat calling (which i am not defending, i know its stupid to cat call and not approprate, maybe just a £30 fine instead?) rather than going after those pesky burglars/rapists/murderers/thiefs

I feel so much better now :rolleyes:
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Now imagine we live in a country where they don't turn up to t a burglary but 10 officers will turn up to your house for a spicy tweet. The police have gone to ****
 
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