Has making a pass at a woman just become illegal?

gingergundog said:
Well I keep reading it and I'm still not sure why you are talking about crimes that are already dealt with under current legislation and is irrelevant.
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How many times do you need it explaining that they were examples of what i suspect most "reasonable people" would consider not normal, you know the legal definition of "reasonable person" in the legislation that this very thread is about. :rolleyes:
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I feel like I'm back in the Michelin Tyre Company canteen in 1974 with all these views against women.
I thought some would have grown up by now with their outdated views.
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This seems like a great thread to seek out those to generally avoid.

Freefaller said:
I mean don't get me wrong. There's nothing with males being male or masculine but there's a difference between that and being a neanderthal.
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Completely.

I think it's all about a lack of empathy. At work we have female parking closer to the gates than the rest of the parking. I asked about it and was asked a simple question; "Have you ever walked back to your car in the car park in poor light and been scared, anxious, concerned for your safety?" - I hadn't. Ever. I don't even question it. I walk home at all times of night/ morning, sometimes 10km home, on my own, with no thought of anything.
I don't walk about at night in any fear. I never cross the roads due to people coming the other way. I never fear people walking behind me.

Difference is, women do... all the time. My wife tried to walk 4km home one night and was catcalled, had 3 cars try and stop for her to "get in" and a bus stopped for her and the driver said she should not be walking home at all and dropped her at our house. She arrived shaking and in tears. Just because she tried to walk home. She didn't go out wearing a dress for male attention, she went out to have fun with her friends and to feel good.

The amount of male ******** that it's all about them and for them is so utterly up your own arse and seems some people have not evolved past their Neanderthal selves.


I'm not saying men don't get raped. I'm not saying some men don't cross roads when people are coming, I'm not saying bad things don't happen to men. But I am saying that every woman feels the above and for a reason.

If men did a better job of not making women feel so uncomfortable, thinking the world revolves around them and were less ******* rapey, maybe this wouldn't be an issue. I think the line is quite simple; don't be a dick.
 
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There is a degree of inevitability about telling women that they need to be scared of men all the time and women being scared all the time. I'm not convinced that we live in a time where women are treated worse than before on the contrary it feels like the degree of noise on the subject might be becoming inversely proportional to the risk.

I have two daughters and a wife I want them to feel safe.
 
randomshenans said:
My wife tried to walk 4km home one night and was catcalled, had 3 cars try and stop for her to "get in" and a bus stopped for her and the driver said she should not be walking home at all and dropped her at our house. She arrived shaking and in tears. Just because she tried to walk home. She didn't go out wearing a dress for male attention, she went out to have fun with her friends and to feel good.
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You seem obliged to mention her clothing, why? Are you saying her choice of what to wear had bearing on 3 (presumably men) stopping to speak to her, and being cat called was maybe due to her clothing? Can you describe or show it?

Whilst in an ideal world, one in which what someone wears causes zero prejudgement, we are in reality living in far from such a utopia, and what we wear has profound implications on how more general and immediate views are formed.

By ignoring such social idiosyncrasies it's sadly very easy to bring increased risks or prejudices upon oneself.

Just like the example someone earlier mentioned about wearing an expensive Rolex watch. If someone chooses to push the risk boundaries it can, even if it should not, have consequences.

To Cavalierly say to hell with that, I am wearing a prominently displayed £20,000 watch, or a short skirt, one makes the choice to potentially suffer adverse risks in modern society by putting your "wares" on public display. It would be nieve to dispute this.
 
Chris Wilson said:
You seem obliged to mention her clothing, why?
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Yea, I've no idea why!
Chris Wilson said:
It's dreadful, women going demurely about their business, not seeking any attention, sexual comment or impropriety, it's simply appalling that men might look at them as sexual objects.

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Good thing Chris doesn't live in the Med where women wear very little... or you know, even go topless :eek: THE HORROR!

Some of my British friends were also very excited at the fact that a lot of European women don't wear bras... I mean really? Is the UK so repressed that a woman no wearing a bra is suddenly "exciting"? STOP THE PRESS!! I can see a nipple!!

I really can't fathom how the photos above is considered sexual, the mind boggles.
 
Freefaller said:
Good thing Chris doesn't live in the Med where women wear very little... or you know, even go topless :eek: THE HORROR!

Some of my British friends were also very excited at the fact that a lot of European women don't wear bras... I mean really? Is the UK so repressed that a woman no wearing a bra is suddenly "exciting"? STOP THE PRESS!! I can see a nipple!!

I really can't fathom how the photos above is considered sexual, the mind boggles.
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How the images are tagged is even funnier, I guess all women should dress in Burkas, but that may set off Chris for other reasons.....
 
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It's not me, a man nearer seventy than sixty with a disdain for girls dressed like hookers they have to worry about. The statistics show that those the RNLI are ferrying ashore daily are the ones that are most likely to assault your partners or children I'm afraid, and yes, even a bit of leg gets `em going. Some areas have become so bad for it that the police and councils have tried to hide the issue, rather than address it, be careful where you let the "free to dress as they wish" ladies go a wandering.

We are where we are, get used to it, there's a near infinite lot more to come the way things are at the moment, Colonel Ghaddafi warned us, we took no notice. I would imagine this proposed change in the law is to try and give some additional powers to the plod when the current hotel stayers are released into the general public. People are protesting in increasing numbers about them, the cops need some more ammunition to try and keep the lid on things.
 
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randomshenans said:
I think it's all about a lack of empathy. At work we have female parking closer to the gates than the rest of the parking. I asked about it and was asked a simple question; "Have you ever walked back to your car in the car park in poor light and been scared, anxious, concerned for your safety?" - I hadn't. Ever. I don't even question it. I walk home at all times of night/ morning, sometimes 10km home, on my own, with no thought of anything.
I don't walk about at night in any fear. I never cross the roads due to people coming the other way. I never fear people walking behind me.

Difference is, women do... all the time. My wife tried to walk 4km home one night and was catcalled, had 3 cars try and stop for her to "get in" and a bus stopped for her and the driver said she should not be walking home at all and dropped her at our house. She arrived shaking and in tears. Just because she tried to walk home. She didn't go out wearing a dress for male attention, she went out to have fun with her friends and to feel good.
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That's interesting, since men are more likely to be randomly attacked than women (source).

randomshenans said:
I'm not saying men don't get raped. I'm not saying some men don't cross roads when people are coming, I'm not saying bad things don't happen to men. But I am saying that every woman feels the above and for a reason.
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Obviously rape is significantly worse than getting a kicking and mugged for your phone/wallet, but maybe that reason is as @PlacidCasual suggests - because they are told to feel that way?
 
C Kent said:
Well it's either that or you hang around with extremely immature 'men'.
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I was over egging it a little - it's something that's called "exaggeration" ;) However yes I do have friends in their 20s through to their 60s. However, a lot of them across the age range do seem to find it "weird" to have flesh on show or anatomical parts visible. They seem to think that it's inappropriate or "wrong" - which I cannot fathom - my puerile comment probably missed it's mark with an intellect like yours. My apologies.

I mean heck I still notice blokes pointing and staring when you go on the tube in London, I guess maybe it's a blend of how men are wired to a certain degree blended with poor societal and behavioural maturity. I'm sure many straight men like to admire the female form, but regardless of that you restrain yourself or do so with subtlety if you really must. Just because a woman wears a skirt or a flattering top it's not an open invitation to try and get a peek.
 
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Freefaller said:
I was over egging it a little - it's something that's called "exaggeration" ;) However yes I do have friends in their 20s through to their 60s. However, a lot of them across the age range do seem to find it "weird" to have flesh on show or anatomical parts visible. They seem to think that it's inappropriate or "wrong" - which I cannot fathom - my puerile comment probably missed it's mark with an intellect like yours. My apologies.
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Apology accepted ;)
 
robfosters said:
Wouldn’t bother me, it would still make me feel better.

I remember my mum telling me that in the 80’s, she couldn’t walk past a building site or scaffolding without being wolf whistled. Never bothered her at all.
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Anne Robinson did a docu piece on this some years ago, over 60% of young women think it's offensive, yet only 15% of older gen cared:

 
It's almost like attitudes changed :)

I seem to remember there being a big fuss when the first of the large construction companies started to have policies about "respectful working" etc on their sites, and basically telling their staff and contractors that they couldn't wolf whistle or harass women walking past. IIRC the companies started doing it when they realised that it was costing them in repeat work for some of the big companies that had staff that didn't appreciate being whistled at every time they entered/exited a building next to a work site.
 
I'm quite LTTP to this, so apologise if over simplifying:

I find this one a tough subject, as a Husband and father, I find wolf whilstling as crass and perfectly understand the predatory nature women can face with some real sex pests around, but this feels more like hate crime, subjective and only needs the recipient to say they are offended/scared and bam, you are a criminal.

I am not even sure about the 'reasonable' test, in an age were that seems reasonable is dictated by TikTok and Twitter, you can just see narcissitic ideologs abusing this which is no doubt going to undermine those that really are victimised, although I am basing that off the many Gym Thot videos that seem a bit outrageous, which seems to be undermining the legitimate issues.
 
Haggisman said:
That's interesting, since men are more likely to be randomly attacked than women (source).



Obviously rape is significantly worse than getting a kicking and mugged for your phone/wallet, but maybe that reason is as @PlacidCasual suggests - because they are told to feel that way?
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I don't think it's because we're told, but down to personal experience and how we feel. I don't feel vulnerable, regardless of the stats. Women are not as strong and I think that also comes into play. They appear more small and vulnerable and that's how they feel.

Put it this way, when I first moved out here on my own, I was going out on my own all the time and always got lost. One night I had my drink spiked and the guy followed me back to my temp apartment room without me knowing and tried to force himself on me and into my room. I'm not small and in the heat of it all I fortunately beat the **** out of him and literally kicked him bleeding down the stairs.
I came away with cuts over me and a bit of a battered face, but luckily I have the metabolism of an ox, so whatever he put in my drink took way longer than he anticipated to kick in. It did properly when he had left, I think aided by the adrenaline and I couldn't walk, passed out on the floor and woke up 15hrs later.

I could easily have a more fearful view on walking about on my own these days, but I don't. Maybe if it had ended differently I would have. That was once in my whole life, but women are frequently followed by creeps, tell guys no and have them ignore their advances, or generally tried to take advantage of. Whereas I am not.
 
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