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Haswell -E Core i7-5960X, 5930K, 5820K specifications
- Thread starter Boomstick777
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If you were so happy with the 8320 why splash out £350 for the Intel set up?
By Haswell -E release/mass availability, there should be much better ddr4 available from Corsair, Crucial etc etc
True ,
just thinking back to ddr3 - 1066mhz now were towards ddr3 3000mhz so some good improvements in speed and timings.
so ddr4 2133mhz starting > should be looking at 3600mhz+ on maturity
By Haswell -E release/mass availability, there should be much better ddr4 available from Corsair, Crucial etc etc
lmao really? It's Hynix etc who make the memory, then they buy it and stick on their branding.
Because I wasn't happy with the GPU. Would you put two Titan blacks with a 8320?
True ,
just thinking back to ddr3 - 1066mhz now were towards ddr3 3000mhz so some good improvements in speed and timings.
so ddr4 2133mhz starting > should be looking at 3600mhz+ on maturity
Aye, it's only taken seven years for it to hit that speed
You contradict yourself many times in this thread. One minute you say an 8320 is a great chip then you say you wouldn't put two Titan Blacks with it?
If it was so great then why not?
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But I don't recall ever seeing any generic brand super-duper-clocked RAM kits. Premium brands serve a purpose in the market.
Oh dear. Do you really think I am silly enough to think that an 8320 could possibly feed SLI Titan black? is that what you really think. If so then
and shame on you.I never said AMD CPUs were world beating. Never, ever ever. What I did say was they are fine CPUs, especially for the coins that AMD want for them. I mean, nigh on 980x peformance for £100. Do you see Intel giving out that sort of performance for £100? have you ever?
But alas, when spending nearly four grand on a rig an 8320 isn't going to cut it. Even I know that.
I know Intel have higher IPC. I know that Intel are proper scrooge when it comes to letting cores and things like HT go. They've always reserved HT for example to their high end CPUs. Let's face it likes, HT is pretty crap. But, due to their tightness with it no one supports it because hardly any one even has an I7. And that's Intel's fault.
I know how powerful my 3970x is. I know it absolutely obliterates my 8320. I also know that new at retail it was a thousand pounds. FX 8320 was £150, and, almost two thirds as powerful and that's with both overclocked.
Intel want you to care about IPC. They want you to be happy with a laptop processor stuffed into a die and sold as a 4670k. They want you to laugh at AMD because their single core performance isn't as good. They know full well that all the time that is happening AMD will never get any help or support from software devs.
They want you to get all stupid excited over X99 and they want you to pay the stupid price, for their 8 core server CPU stuffed into a desktop die and then clocked higher. All this time they want you to believe everything they feed them.
And it's hard not to really isn't it? Intel make mistake after mistake, including, but not limited to -
Locking down all of their CPUs, from Sandybridge on. This was just a nasty thing to do. They made sure, overnight, that you had two CPU choices instead of the 10 or so you had before.
Their 'mistake' with Sandybridge boards killing people's data over time.
Ivybridge being a complete waste of time, but, teasing you with it and Z77.
Ivybridge not having the same clock yields as Sandy, which was a complete monster.
Haswell being ridiculously hot, crap and overclocking compared to Sandy, yet more money and oh, a new motherboard !
I could go on, but no doubt I will make the Intel fanboys cry a bit. All of the mistakes they have made, yet, reviewers always seem to forget the bad stuff and concentrate on the good. 3% IPC gains. Yawn.
So I'm sorry to say that I just don't buy it. In fact, when recently faced with the daunting prospect of lashing out four grand on a PC I deliberately bought a 3970x because I see Haswell as a complete failure and wanted nothing to do with it.
What we should have been demanding over the years was -
More of Intel's cores, from their little gold bag they keep hidden in their waist line. Not IPC, more cores. Stop fobbing us off with the 3-5% crap and up the core amount.
HT to be a part of every CPU. More core support for their higher threaded CPUs. But instead no, we allow them to drip feed us second hand server products with higher clocks
But no, here we are, dead excited over a two year old server CPU that comes with a ridiculous price tag, ridiculous motherrboard and ridiculous memory when they could have just made a six core CPU for 1150.
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Because I wasn't happy with the GPU. Would you put two Titan blacks with a 8320?
that sais just about everything, you've tripped up and fallen flat on your face
You totally misunderstand how it all works.
Hynix, as well as a couple of other memory manufacturers make the memory. They then deal with companies like Corsair, Gskill etc who order specific spec memory.
Then they take them to their factory, stick on fancy stickers and heatsinks and then rebox them as "Enthusiast" parts and charge a premium for it.
Eh?
Sorry Mal. Forgot to say.
My 8320 roxxors kan beet any 500 fredded intell any old day m8.
thx m8 gr8.
Why on earth do so many people around here think things are so simple? maybe it's them that are simple?
Good lord, riding a bicycle through Carnaby St.
Oh dear. Do you really think I am silly enough to think that an 8320 could possibly feed SLI Titan black? is that what you really think. If so then
I never said AMD CPUs were world beating. Never, ever ever. What I did say was they are fine CPUs, especially for the coins that AMD want for them. I mean, nigh on 980x peformance for £100. Do you see Intel giving out that sort of performance for £100? have you ever?
But alas, when spending nearly four grand on a rig an 8320 isn't going to cut it. Even I know that.
I know Intel have higher IPC. I know that Intel are proper scrooge when it comes to letting cores and things like HT go. They've always reserved HT for example to their high end CPUs. Let's face it likes, HT is pretty crap. But, due to their tightness with it no one supports it because hardly any one even has an I7. And that's Intel's fault.
I know how powerful my 3970x is. I know it absolutely obliterates my 8320. I also know that new at retail it was a thousand pounds. FX 8320 was £150, and, almost two thirds as powerful and that's with both overclocked.
Intel want you to care about IPC. They want you to be happy with a laptop processor stuffed into a die and sold as a 4670k. They want you to laugh at AMD because their single core performance isn't as good. They know full well that all the time that is happening AMD will never get any help or support from software devs.
They want you to get all stupid excited over X99 and they want you to pay the stupid price, for their 8 core server CPU stuffed into a desktop die and then clocked higher. All this time they want you to believe everything they feed them.
And it's hard not to really isn't it? Intel make mistake after mistake, including, but not limited to -
Locking down all of their CPUs, from Sandybridge on. This was just a nasty thing to do. They made sure, overnight, that you had two CPU choices instead of the 10 or so you had before.
Their 'mistake' with Sandybridge boards killing people's data over time.
Ivybridge being a complete waste of time, but, teasing you with it and Z77.
Ivybridge not having the same clock yields as Sandy, which was a complete monster.
Haswell being ridiculously hot, crap and overclocking compared to Sandy, yet more money and oh, a new motherboard !
I could go on, but no doubt I will make the Intel fanboys cry a bit. All of the mistakes they have made, yet, reviewers always seem to forget the bad stuff and concentrate on the good. 3% IPC gains. Yawn.
So I'm sorry to say that I just don't buy it. In fact, when recently faced with the daunting prospect of lashing out four grand on a PC I deliberately bought a 3970x because I see Haswell as a complete failure and wanted nothing to do with it.
What we should have been demanding over the years was -
More of Intel's cores, from their little gold bag they keep hidden in their waist line. Not IPC, more cores. Stop fobbing us off with the 3-5% crap and up the core amount.
HT to be a part of every CPU. More core support for their higher threaded CPUs. But instead no, we allow them to drip feed us second hand server products with higher clocks
But no, here we are, dead excited over a two year old server CPU that comes with a ridiculous price tag, ridiculous motherrboard and ridiculous memory when they could have just made a six core CPU for 1150.
Somewhere mixed in there is some true information.
Which i will happily respond to.But how on earth can anyone demand better cores from Intel with 0 competition
They will do what they want ........ And being the best there is we will buy it im afraid.This is your finest quote
forgive me ALXAndy said:
Corsair/Crucial/Gskill test and bin the chips available from Hynix, Micron etc and then release those binned chips that can support higher speeds etc etc.
You seem like one angry dude bro. Nobody is asking you to buy their products.
Get a life and stop Trolling.
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The Haswell E chips in this thread won't run hot like the mainstream socket 1150 Haswells. The E chips are soldered unlike the pasted cheaper ones.yes true, also, anyone expecting this new wave of Haswells to be any better than now is deluded..........all you'll get is more of the same...........what we really needed was a much more powerful version of the old i5..... or a cheaper version of that top end i7.....these new Haswells will deffo run hot, because this is a manufacturing Assembly fault and has nothing to do with the design of the chip......if the same crew assemble this new chip then we've had it.....and it'll deffo be the same bunch of idiots
i would be careful in saying that we'll get console ports fixed at 60fps from now on, because a few developers might not.
plus finally, you'll deffo need more than a 100 quid AMD if you decide to game at 4K
Somewhere mixed in there is some true information.
But how on earth can anyone demand better cores from Intel with 0 competition
This is your finest quote
You're forgiven. My all AMD rig was £1000, not £4000. At 4 grand I had expectations that tbh? have only just been met. The only difference so far is I can crank Crysis 3 and Watchdogs to absolute eye bleeding specs with 8XMSAA and find them both perfectly playable.
Things got a little sketchy on the AMD rig, but, the GPU is not exactly cutting edge (7990 that doesn't overclock because it's XFX).
Tell me, how was that worth £4k? two games...
Had the cash not been disposable I would still be talking to you from either my AMD rig, or my hex core westmere 670 SLI rig. Both are fine rigs, both run different CPUs. TBH? the 2ghz Westmere has not struggled with any game, it was the GPU power I wanted but as I said, pairing up a 8320 with Titan blacks is just ridiculous, even I know that.
Sometimes being the best does not depend on one thing. If it did? I would not have an AMD rig. But the problem is Intel brain wash people with things like IPC and then that's all that matters. I won't even explain what a 16 cored AMD server CPU can do to a quad core desktop CPU in massively threaded environments.
But AMD just don't have the clout to brain wash. Not that they ever did, even back when they did hold the performance crown. They still made nice affordable CPUs, even when they could have charged the earth for them to people who just want the best.
Every one I knew built an Athlon XP rig. Hardly any one I know has a 2011 rig.
However am I angry? I just pointed out where memory comes from. It doesn't come with a stork mate.
It comes from factories, then gets branding and packaging. That's how it works, that's not angry it's just facts.
Maybe if more people realised what it is they are actually buying and how much they were paying for a label.....
Nah forget it.
Intel pwnz IPC ETC !!!!