Haswell -E Core i7-5960X, 5930K, 5820K specifications

Perfect_Chaos · 22 Jul 2014 at 18:33

Skylake will be interesting but isn't it still going to be quad core max and no hexa cores? Tempted to upgrade but tempted to wait as well.. Could just buy a gtx 880 or something end of this year and upgrade the rest with Skylake next year.. ugh don't know what to do still!

Sylver123 · 22 Jul 2014 at 18:33

Mal X said:
yea but the trouble is, DDR 4 will mature ok, but by then these new Haswell CPUs due out soon will be out of date, BECAUSE the next generation/architecture of Intel CPUs are due for release next year

i read all about it yesterday.....these 5960Xs whatever; are only a stop gap until next year but i find it very confusing, so you'll need to look at that link i posted up.

anyone wanting a major upgrade right now is therefore making a massive mistake, because in addition, i dont think you'll get DDR4 as it is planed right now, the market is evolving into something else....maybe 14nm, it's a bit like wanting to buy a R290X right now, not realising that it'll be out of date in 6 months time..................it's just something that you wouldn't do would you !!!

As far as I am aware, there will be no 6 or 8 core Skylake processors out next year and the x99 platform and processors for this platform will remain extreme high end tech until 2016.

Has there been recent news that Intel's next generation architecture Skylake processors will overtake the x99 platform stuff next year when it comes to performance?

Mal X · 22 Jul 2014 at 19:00

http://www.extremetech.com/computin...rybody-asks-is-the-chip-coming-in-2015-or-not

it could be Q2 next year.....but its performance is not known

but there is a new monster Nvidia Maxwell card due out next year, but that's no good for me because i'll deffo be getting an AMD dual card, whatever it is next year......R300X2???

Sylver123 · 22 Jul 2014 at 19:41

It is a bit confusing all of this. I guess we'll have to wait till next year to find out what's actually getting released and what's not.

The x99 platform is also supposed to be getting 14nm processors.

I am just wondering which platform will have the best performance next year.

The x100 Skylake platform or the x99 Haswell-E/Broadwell platform.

shamus21 · 22 Jul 2014 at 19:49

Sylver123 said:
It is a bit confusing all of this. I guess we'll have to wait till next year to find out what's actually getting released and what's not.

The x99 platform is also supposed to be getting 14nm processors.

I am just wondering which platform will have the best performance next year.

The x100 Skylake platform or the x99 Haswell-E/Broadwell platform.

Your not joking, it looks like we will be in no mans-land for one to two years before we take the right upgrade route .

Mal X · 22 Jul 2014 at 20:04

It's very confusing and maybe not worth thinking about too much.... let everyone else argue about it.

it's now time to turn attention towards next years GPU...

the best performance for next year is what you have now, you'll only be outgunned in 2016..... but maybe not if you're gaming only, because if it's all console ports and capped at 60fps, you'll be ok for years, you'll only need to replace the GPU

i would have probably been ok with the i5 2500, but that deffo needed a new mobo/ gpu anyway.......my ASrock isn't much good, so that's basically a new rig isn't it.

my mistake is i dont think i needed the 4770k ...

Mal X · 22 Jul 2014 at 20:10

shamus21 said:
Your not joking, it looks like we will be in no mans-land for one to two years before we take the right upgrade route .

YES, i think Boomstick made a big mistake selling his rig..... because that high end gear will be ok for the next 2 years........easily

silvagti · 22 Jul 2014 at 20:11

Given broadwell's out next year I'd be very surprised if we see Skylake appear until 2016. Especially as Intel have no real competition on desktop CPU's just now. Intel have only managed relatively miniscule performance updates between CPU generations since they launched the Core I series 5 years ago. I think we're destined for more of the same unfortunately. All their focus seems to be on reducing heat and power usage rather than aiming for raw performance.

However it's difficult to speculate on release dates and the spec's of something that won't be out for another 2 years!

Resa69 · 22 Jul 2014 at 20:14

When will we see some ddr4 prices

shamus21 · 22 Jul 2014 at 20:15

Mal X said:
YES, i think Boomstick made a big mistake selling his rig..... because that high end gear will be ok for the next 2 years........easily

A new GPUs single or crossfire/sli will offer better value over the next 2 years I would say. Then all the next gen cpu`s chipsets etc will be sorted.

Mal X · 22 Jul 2014 at 21:04

yes, if you had say an R9 390X2 on 1080p

then you'd be future proof for the next 5 years, all you need is a 1000 W PSU

cooling?...... that GPU will deffo be Watercooled, you wont see any more silly Devil 13s from now on, and there's loads of room for water inside the PCA-10

sorry, going off topic a bit

413x · 22 Jul 2014 at 21:19

I think the hexacore will be the best for me

All depends on ram/mobo prices - if outrageous I'll wait

Sylver123 · 23 Jul 2014 at 01:08

That's what I am planning to do. Go for one of the Haswell-E 6 core processors and then upgrade to the 14nm Broadwell-E 8 core if it gets released.

If there is news by january next year which is around the time I plan to purchase the hardware for my new system, that Skylake is to be
released very soon and will have much better performance than the x99 Haswell-E/Broadwell platform and it will take over this platform at
the high end also next year, than I might just hold off purchasing my system until Skylake is released.

Orangey · 23 Jul 2014 at 08:22

Resa69 said:
When will we see some ddr4 prices

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ddr4-memory-starts-selling-indicative-of-haswell-e-launch.html

Sylver123 said:
That's what I am planning to do. Go for one of the Haswell-E 6 core processors and then upgrade to the 14nm Broadwell-E 8 core if it gets released.

If there is news by january next year which is around the time I plan to purchase the hardware for my new system, that Skylake is to be
released very soon and will have much better performance than the x99 Haswell-E/Broadwell platform and it will take over this platform at
the high end also next year, than I might just hold off purchasing my system until Skylake is released.

Skylake not until H2 2015. Skylake-S however will be available earlier, but it is still unclear what Intel plans to do about the clusterfudge of a tick n tock coming at same time.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...well_K_Processors_to_July_September_2015.html

DazQ87 · 23 Jul 2014 at 09:51

Seems crucial have started selling DDR4 in the UK, having a quick look at the quad channel kits seems that 16GB kits are about £240ish 32GB kits are about £380 and 64GB kits are about £700!

Hopefully when some more competitors bring out some memory we might see a slight price war?

Cosimo · 23 Jul 2014 at 09:58

DazQ87 said:
Seems crucial have started selling DDR4 in the UK, having a quick look at the quad channel kits seems that 16GB kits are about £240ish 32GB kits are about £380 and 64GB kits are about £700!

Hopefully when some more competitors bring out some memory we might see a slight price war?

Corsair showed off Dominator Platinum and Value DDR4 at Computex 2014 so that should appear later this year.

apostolis_kt · 23 Jul 2014 at 11:02

DazQ87 said:
Seems crucial have started selling DDR4 in the UK, having a quick look at the quad channel kits seems that 16GB kits are about £240ish 32GB kits are about £380 and 64GB kits are about £700!

Hopefully when some more competitors bring out some memory we might see a slight price war?

Are these the value kits or any fancy super wow heatsinked ones? Lets see some competition!

DazQ87 · 23 Jul 2014 at 12:05

apostolis_kt said:
Are these the value kits or any fancy super wow heatsinked ones? Lets see some competition!

Just looked like value sticks with no heatsinks to me...

ALXAndy · 23 Jul 2014 at 12:25

I just bought 16gb dom plats for £180. I could have spent £120, but couldn't find any Vengeance/pro in black, they were all red or blue. £230 is high, and I will bet that that's bottom rung DDR4 too. Dom plats? we're talking £350.

Intel are just desperate for something to try and make people buy again. Contrary to what you see around forums like this (with a small handful of users buying everything they have to sell) people just ain't stupid. Many still have their Sandy rigs, as they fully understand just how good they are and how rubbish Ivy and Haswell are for an upgrade path.

When Intel released Sandy AMD were still slightly competitive. I laid out just how my 8320 can beat I7 920s very easily in enterprise and threaded benchmarks. Intel knew this. They released Sandy to take the crown once and for all, but, slipped up and released too much, especially with the 3930k.

And they have been looking for a product to wow people with ever since.

Only die hards switched to Ivy. Only hardened die hards went Haswell, and only the craziest went Devil's Canyon.

The issue is that the media never EVER point out where Intel are going wrong. All they do is continue to kiss their rear end lauding everything they make. If consumers do not point out to companies where they are going wrong? they will continue to make mistakes.

Sandybridge E was the last Intel technology actually worth forking over the cash for. IBE was hardly any better, Haswell E will be better but the 8 core is where it's at and it's £900. The hex core Haswell E? sure, it'll best the SBE but not with clocks and not with temps. It'll be a pain to live with, just like Haswell.

BTW guys..

Skylake won't be an enthusiast product from the sounds of it. X99 is their new enthusiast board and chipset, they're not going to make it defunct in less than a year ! Skylake sounds more like I5 stuff to me. No Haswell CPU is as fast as a Sandybridge E CPU, so I can't see Skylake taking over from Haswell E. It just wouldn't be in their best interests. Maybe in a couple of year's time they will take it to X100 or something and launch it as Skylake E, but for th e most part it will be an ordinary desktop product, not an extreme enterprise one.

Mal X · 23 Jul 2014 at 12:34

but you've got no DDR 4 Mobo :confused:

does DDR 4 fit an existing mobo, man i must be dumb

no it doesn't the slot is further over to the left.......... well there you go!