***Haswell -E Owners Thread***

[Kaapstad]

Some of the things I am trying to highlight would be

That there are a lot more bugs and problems with the X99 platform than there was with the SB-E X79 launch.

Memory performance with the Hex cores is good but bad with the 8 cores,what has happened there.

A SB-E and to a lesser extent an IB-E hex core will overclock a lot better than a Haswell Hex core, again what is going on here.

There seems to be a lot more faulty parts (mobo/CPU/RAM), one person I can think of had a dud 5960X that was not even capable of running a single 290X properly (this is something unheard of with intel CPUs).

The point is there is way more problems with the X99 platform than any other intel launch and intel should be criticised for it.


Could someone also please tell what this plan is a couple of you have referred to ?

 

[thokkiano]

You have made me laugh

 

[Nickolp1974]

The tuning plan is bassically another go at the silicone lotterry, it will cost you about 15 quid and it must be in place for 30days before you can use it. Then just tell them your chip has degraded and it now uses more volts at stock clocks, they pick yours up and send you a new one, whole process from start to finish takes 9-10 days. I did it with my 4930.

Link is in my post above.

 

[LtMatt]

The tuning plan is bassically another go at the silicone lotterry, it will cost you about 15 quid and it must be in place for 30days before you can use it. Then just tell them your chip has degraded and it now uses more volts at stock clocks, they pick yours up and send you a new one, whole process from start to finish takes 9-10 days. I did it with my 4930.

Link is in my post above.

Blimey, i think i might have a go at this.

 

[tipes]

Blimey, i think i might have a go at this.

Trouble is you could get a worse one or no better, let's face it overclocking 8 cores is never going to be easy, and may be hardly worth the stress and agro of trying to get stable for a few 100 Mghz more.Then again for benching.......

Mark

 

[Silent_Scone]

I've got mine running at 4.4Ghz 1.3v, 3200Mhz 1.65v 12-15-15-15-1T and 4ghz uncore so far. Max temps under Rog Realbench 74c using a H110. Fairly happy with that as i know games will be a lot lower.

Again, this is way too much DRAM voltage for 24/7. Also your primary timings are wrong, so not sure what you've done with your seconds. During post training the chipset set tRAS may vary... and you're running below the trip point for the substitution. fine for benching... not for 24/7. tRAS = CL + tRCD+tRP +/- 1. You can go below the trip point however the chipset may be setting it higher than what you're actually setting it to. 15 is way too low.

What tuning plan ?

I am also not a fan of this X99 platform, I think it is total crap with far too many problems and too few improvements over X79.

I also think it is important that fellow users who feel the same way also highlight how bad this platform is as the alternative will be that intel will continue to serve up rubbish like this. If these were AMD CPUs people would be having a field day laughing their assets off about the problems

Poor overclocking
Poor DDR4 RAM performance
Dodgy motherboards
Dodgy CPUs
Bios problems

This is the worst line of intel CPUs ever.

I also notice that 8 Pack has been reluctant to offer any help in the thread posted in his section of the forums, I wonder why ?

Because 8-Pack is busy and overclocking on this platform is much more unpredictable and non-linear than with previous generations. In otherwords it's too much like hard work to try and talk people through it. If you want to do it properly that is.

I'm not sure what platform you're using dude as I've been running since day one and have had zero problems besides Intel updating the microcode for certain straps / memory frequencies to improve stability.

 

[jakesnake]

iv came from x58 i7 950 - 1600Mhz DDR3 to 5820k and 2400Mhz DDR4

iv had zero problems so far. Posted first time and bios/driver updates went smooth.

I have not overclocked anything yet, no need, its devastating as is.

I will probably let this rig bed in at stock settings for a good while, while the teething problems reduce. If you try to take a new platform to the extreme eairly on, then your asking for annoying problems. Just leave it be for a while, the potential is there and not going anywhere.

 

[Silent_Scone]

Unfortunately some people just can't be told nor do they listen. You should also never really copy user memory timings as 9 times out of 10 they're wrong

 

[Boomstick777]

iv came from x58 i7 950 - 1600Mhz DDR3 to 5820k and 2400Mhz DDR4..

I have not overclocked anything yet, no need, its devastating as is.

+1

For the money, X99 + 5820K is a blinder !

 

[BaDBoY_uK]

What tuning plan ?

I am also not a fan of this X99 platform, I think it is total crap with far too many problems and too few improvements over X79.

I also think it is important that fellow users who feel the same way also highlight how bad this platform is as the alternative will be that intel will continue to serve up rubbish like this. If these were AMD CPUs people would be having a field day laughing their assets off about the problems

Poor overclocking
Poor DDR4 RAM performance
Dodgy motherboards
Dodgy CPUs
Bios problems

This is the worst line of intel CPUs ever.

I also notice that 8 Pack has been reluctant to offer any help in the thread posted in his section of the forums, I wonder why ?

This is worrying to read. Are you really unhappy with this line? If this isn't great, does it bode well for the future?

I have had some problems getting my Mem to 3GHz. I have lowered it to 2.6GHz with std timings. And getting my VCCSA voltage tuned has been a headache. But overall happy with 4.4GHz

Are you expecting 5GHz?

 

[Silent_Scone]

3000 on 125 strap is the most preferable compared to most frequencies but as you have said tuning SA voltage proves the most headache for users. I find starting with around 1.05v and working down before you work up is the best way. It is totally non linear, for example for 2666 my cpu likes around 0.980v but for 3000 it prefers 1.016v. I've seen a few people jam the system agent voltage in order to solve instability but this is more problematic than lowering it first in most cases. The lower you can achieve the better the tuning regardless, however on this platform it can be imperative to find a medium that works both in the OS and to pass post. The latter being the more difficult

 

[Kaapstad]

This is worrying to read. Are you really unhappy with this line? If this isn't great, does it bode well for the future?

I have had some problems getting my Mem to 3GHz. I have lowered it to 2.6GHz with std timings. And getting my VCCSA voltage tuned has been a headache. But overall happy with 4.4GHz

Are you expecting 5GHz?

No, I was not expecting anymore than I got to be honest.

Having said that my views on X99 still stand and I think it is total crap. I think it is important for users to air their opinions as that is the only way things will get better.

I also think people should be as helpful as possible when dealing with the problems and setup issues with this platform, unfortunately some people do not share this view.

So the question is why did I buy into the platform then, the truth is I wanted to build a PC capable of running my favourite games on huge maps. In this it has been very successful and I am very pleased with the result.

 

[VincentHanna]

It's crap, but it's unfortunately still the best option for 3/4 multi-GPU setups.

Is that what you mean?

 

[Silent_Scone]

God knows

 

[Kaapstad]

It's crap, but it's unfortunately still the best option for 3/4 multi-GPU setups.

Is that what you mean?

It is crap for 3/4 GPUs as SB-E or IB-E are better due to higher oc clockspeeds.

For gaming it is very good indeed as the efficiency of Haswell + DDR4 means I can play my favourite game (Civ5) on a massive map with a massive empire and the game won't freeze or lose all the tile detail late on when the number crunching becomes serious. Gaming @4K also removes the problem of poor ocing performance.

 

[shamus21]

How big is the empire Kaapstad and which map size do you play on, never had them problems myself but do get really bad slow downs near the end of the game.

 

[LtMatt]

The tuning plan is bassically another go at the silicone lotterry, it will cost you about 15 quid and it must be in place for 30days before you can use it. Then just tell them your chip has degraded and it now uses more volts at stock clocks, they pick yours up and send you a new one, whole process from start to finish takes 9-10 days. I did it with my 4930.

Link is in my post above.

Trouble is you could get a worse one or no better, let's face it overclocking 8 cores is never going to be easy, and may be hardly worth the stress and agro of trying to get stable for a few 100 Mghz more.Then again for benching.......

Mark

This is true, but i think it could be worth it. Would this invalidate warranty with the retailer you got it from though as you'd be sending back a different cpu? Would they even know? I suppose the warranty would then be direct with Intel. I'm quite tempted as my new 5960X is a stinker compared to the first one.

EDIT

Ordered!

 

[reiyushin]

Haha interested to see how it turns out hope you get a nicer chip!

 

[LtMatt]

Haha interested to see how it turns out hope you get a nicer chip!

Me too, 1.475v for 4.4Ghz is not ideal. Last one almost did 4.4Ghz at 1.3v.

 

[tipes]

Me too, 1.475v for 4.4Ghz is not ideal. Last one almost did 4.4Ghz at 1.3v.

Must admit I am surprised you got rid of the first one tbh. I would have stuck with that - or did it have a problem?

Mark