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HD 7000-series GPUs which are reportedly scheduled to make their entrance on December 5

:D This launch will be the same as always ! up to the actual release date we will snippets of real performance information, Gibbo will get some early HIS cards and "tease us" some more.

Eventually the cards will get released and as normal they will be 10-20% better than the previous generation

The only time it's much different is when something abnormally special arrives, what happens then is, You can't get hold of them for 6 months :D

But it's all good fun !
 
JAKUS

you are right like always all the whoo har then the usual ten or twenty percent better.

like ive said 3 months wait for a 7870 for those not getting a 6950 2gb or 560 ti 2gb and it maybe 10 percent quicker !

work that out in bf3 which both cards play at 1920x1080 at 60fps

youll get like 6 fps more lol :D

but you have to wait 3 months to get it and it wont be any cheaper than what the cards it replaces :p so funny .
 
If you don't need to upgrade immediately what's the sweat. Unless you're an obsessive early adopted it would be silly not to wait 6 weeks for a card that's gonna last you a couple of years. I splurge every couple of years, I can wait till mid jan for a 7870.
 
I'm looking to upgrade but I'm in no hurry. I'm not sure I'll go with AMD again though, after all the issues they'd had with Crossfire / drivers for major game releases. AMD should be putting MORE effort into drivers but that seems unlikely given the huge cuts they'd made to staffing levels.
 
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JAKUS

you are right like always all the whoo har then the usual ten or twenty percent better.

like ive said 3 months wait for a 7870 for those not getting a 6950 2gb or 560 ti 2gb and it maybe 10 percent quicker !

work that out in bf3 which both cards play at 1920x1080 at 60fps

youll get like 6 fps more lol :D

but you have to wait 3 months to get it and it wont be any cheaper than what the cards it replaces :p so funny .
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Yeah, I think it's what they call a good "business model"...To spoon feed us small upgrades regularly :D
You can't really blame the manufactures, they prey on our Human nature :)
+ they do have shareholders to pay and development to invest in.
 
Indeed. Unless you really need it, makes sense to wait till they are out, it isn't too far away.
I'd be tempted to get something with a good amount of memory though, even MW3 uses 1-1.45gb at 1440p.
 
TAC4U said:
I'm looking to upgrade but I'm in no hurry. I'm not sure I'll go with AMD again though, after all the issues they'd had with Crossfire / drivers for major game releases. AMD should be putting MORE effort into drivers but that seems unlikely given the huge cuts they'd made to staffing levels.
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I gave up with crossfire Years back, Never works with the new games and IMHO it's only use is benchmarking.
Every driver release used to claim 20% + boost in this and that...we should be up to about 1000 % gains in games now :D....sure the comparisons were to an equivalent system with no drivers loaded :D

A nice single card is the way to go for hassle free reliable gaming !
 
lay-z-boy said:
Indeed. Unless you really need it, makes sense to wait till they are out, it isn't too far away.
I'd be tempted to get something with a good amount of memory though, even MW3 uses 1-1.45gb at 1440p.
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Be very interesting to see how much onboard memory will ship with the new cards from both camps, I would think 2GB will be about tops unless the architecture is improved sufficiently to be able to use it more effectively, also not forgetting lot's of users run 32bit still, so a 3gb card will cripple the system !
 
stulid said:
You dont know the performance figure as there are no clock speeds released.

Thats whats really simple about it.


How anyone can make a performance prediction because they think they may know how some new design works is beyond me, look at all the predictions for Bulldozer, look at the final result, completely different.
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Wow, another post where EVERYTHING you said is incorrect.

Again, people who looked at the architecture knew exactly where Bulldozer would perform give or take 10%, and they were right.

6 months before Bulldozer launch we had the architecture unveiled, there are posts 5-6 months ago from me, on this very forum(and I'm no genius, this was info many people were talking about on many forums) saying, narrow x86 decoder, 2 integer pipes, 8 narrow cores. We all saw EVERY downside of Bulldozer 6 months before its release.

What you MEAN to say but can't bring yourself to is, you believed the random hype from random stupid people, YOU thought it was going to be much faster and YOU got it wrong.

I didn't, many thousands of people who actually looked at the architecture and worked out where it would be weak knew almost exactly where it would perform.

Many people who used reason and logic, got Bulldozer spot on, those who randomly went duh, 8 core, it will spank a 4 core, were wrong, and not surprisingly.

Also clock speeds, well, this is again down to process, which anyone can read about and be well informed about what is likely to be the clock speeds..... as well as being almost completely useless information.

A 800 shader card at 750Mhz, if you take a 1600 shader card with tmu/rops in the same ratios with the same mem speed and the same clocks, it won't be 100% faster, things don't scale like that. Bump up clock speed 5-10% and then with the other specs scaled as before you'd expect a circa 80% performance bump, which is......... what happened, what we got and what happens most generations.

It will be completely unsurprising when the 7970 releases with clock speeds between 950Mhz and 1Ghz, and even less surprising will be, if you overclock just about any gpu from 950 to 1Ghz, a sub 5% overclock, you would see MAYBE 3% in real FPS gain, which other than being not noticeable in use, also pales in comparison to a 70-80% performance gain from shader/architecture, memory clock, memory bus, and everything else.

IE clock speed is all but irrelevant in this situation, let's say you expect 1Ghz clock speeds, and get 900Mhz, because the card won't always be clock speed limited, this will likely make barely a 6-7% overall difference in the speed of the card........ or less than 10% of the total expected improvement in card speed.

Clock speed is the LEAST important difference in terms of the specs in a new gen card.

95thrifles said:
Lol @ all the speculation
And lol @ all those whove been telling people for past 2 months not to buy a new card now cos there's new ones just round the corner, it's one LONG corner, which we still can't see the end of
At the end of the day until we know the proper release date, usually only reliably once OcUK receive stock, then this is poor advice, IMO
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Nope, they were right then and right now. The date isn't delayed because AMD were always releasing in Jan, the cards taped out and were finished and if TSMC were ready WOULD have come out in October, they didn't, so what. Anyone that spends £270 on a 6970 today, or 2 months ago, is getting poor value for money, 1 month or barely 3 months before the card becomes worth £150 or less.

New architecture comes out, you'll basically never get more value than buying on launch(and if possible selling a week before new cards are available), first 3 months, no real difference, after 6 months two things have happened, you've both been fine on your old card up till that point, so either you don't normally seek absolute top performance, or you have a very good card anyway....... so waiting for the next gen makes more sense in BOTH situations, and in the final 3 months, you're just pee'ing your money away and again as before, MOST people who don't move to the new gen in the first 9 months it is out either already have a good card, or don't go for top end performance and those guys often prefer value. Again both groups of people would get more value and more benefit waiting with little downside.
 
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JAKUS said:
Be very interesting to see how much onboard memory will ship with the new cards from both camps, I would think 2GB will be about tops unless the architecture is improved sufficiently to be able to use it more effectively, also not forgetting lot's of users run 32bit still, so a 3gb card will cripple the system !
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People on 32bit will be users who spend all day on facebook/office or care little about max settings gaming, so aren't the target market anyway.

Single card users are now seeing the limits of vram that comes with stock cards running the latest games. It's multi gpu (and multi screen) where the extra ram really works its magic.
 
bru said:
speculation speculation speculation
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Are you the Right Honourable Anthony Blair?

Seeing this got me thinking, I might just on a site like Softpedia and go through all their articles relating the AMD's new cards and making a list of all the rumours they have been spreading and come 5/12 tick back and see how many (if any were true).
 
The 6950 retails for $280 in the US, that's £180, we know the 6950 retails here for £215-240. If the 7950 retails for $350 in americuh, despite the exchange rate being £225, adding on vat and the usual give and miss pricing, they will probably retail here for £280-300.
 
drunkenmaster said:
Wow, another post where EVERYTHING you said is incorrect.

Again, people who looked at the architecture knew exactly where Bulldozer would perform give or take 10%, and they were right.

6 months before Bulldozer launch we had the architecture unveiled, there are posts 5-6 months ago from me, on this very forum(and I'm no genius, this was info many people were talking about on many forums) saying, narrow x86 decoder, 2 integer pipes, 8 narrow cores. We all saw EVERY downside of Bulldozer 6 months before its release.

What you MEAN to say but can't bring yourself to is, you believed the random hype from random stupid people, YOU thought it was going to be much faster and YOU got it wrong.

Please find me a post where I said it would be faster? you cant because I didn't. Don't try and accuse me of saying things I didn't.

I didn't, many thousands of people who actually looked at the architecture and worked out where it would be weak knew almost exactly where it would perform.

Many people who used reason and logic, got Bulldozer spot on, those who randomly went duh, 8 core, it will spank a 4 core, were wrong, and not surprisingly.

Also clock speeds, well, this is again down to process, which anyone can read about and be well informed about what is likely to be the clock speeds..... as well as being almost completely useless information.

A 800 shader card at 750Mhz, if you take a 1600 shader card with tmu/rops in the same ratios with the same mem speed and the same clocks, it won't be 100% faster, things don't scale like that. Bump up clock speed 5-10% and then with the other specs scaled as before you'd expect a circa 80% performance bump, which is......... what happened, what we got and what happens most generations.

It will be completely unsurprising when the 7970 releases with clock speeds between 950Mhz and 1Ghz, and even less surprising will be, if you overclock just about any gpu from 950 to 1Ghz, a sub 5% overclock, you would see MAYBE 3% in real FPS gain, which other than being not noticeable in use, also pales in comparison to a 70-80% performance gain from shader/architecture, memory clock, memory bus, and everything else.

IE clock speed is all but irrelevant in this situation, let's say you expect 1Ghz clock speeds, and get 900Mhz, because the card won't always be clock speed limited, this will likely make barely a 6-7% overall difference in the speed of the card........ or less than 10% of the total expected improvement in card speed.

Clock speed is the LEAST important difference in terms of the specs in a new gen card.
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WOW another post where what you say has zero meaning, seriously, you dont know the performance of this gpu at all, face it, those are the facts.
 
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