HD 7000-series GPUs which are reportedly scheduled to make their entrance on December 5

[LeJosh]

WOW another post where what you say has zero meaning, seriously, you dont know the performance of this gpu at all, face it, those are the facts.

And you're just being dense.

You can make an estimate based on architectural figures once they're released.

Just because he goes on tangents doesn't mean his posts are moot.

Oh and I guess you also think engineers just have a stab in the dark at the next performance jump.

 

[95thrifles]

Nope, they were right then and right now. The date isn't delayed because AMD were always releasing in Jan, the cards taped out and were finished and if TSMC were ready WOULD have come out in October, they didn't, so what. Anyone that spends £270 on a 6970 today, or 2 months ago, is getting poor value for money, 1 month or barely 3 months before the card becomes worth £150 or less.

People have been "advising" this since Aug, to other people who want high end cards, so its more like 6 months, and thats assuming they actually get released in Jan, we'll wait n see, I'm not sying they wont, but I've seen many a release date come and go with no sign of products or last minute push backs. In addition, as I said, if its anything like the last launch, prices of old gen stuff will NOT crash overnight as some are speculating, the low availability meant they actually held value quite well for quite a while.
Now I'm not doubting what you're saying about performance, you clearly know what you're talking about and are as likely to be correct as the next man, I'm just doubting that they'll necessarily be available when advertised. And I disagree with the advice of waiting for something for 6 months, thers always something new around the corner in PC tech world and IMO this attitude would mean you'd never actually buy anything

New architecture comes out, you'll basically never get more value than buying on launch(and if possible selling a week before new cards are available), first 3 months, no real difference, after 6 months two things have happened, you've both been fine on your old card up till that point, so either you don't normally seek absolute top performance, or you have a very good card anyway....... so waiting for the next gen makes more sense in BOTH situations, and in the final 3 months, you're just pee'ing your money away and again as before, MOST people who don't move to the new gen in the first 9 months it is out either already have a good card, or don't go for top end performance and those guys often prefer value. Again both groups of people would get more value and more benefit waiting with little downside
Surely as you've said above (1st para) best value would be buying once new gen are out and price drops have taken effect??? as long as you dont mind having one generation old technology

 

[413x]

so when do i sell one 6950? and when do i sell the other? i dont mind going with nothing at all for a little while, tbh i might just sell one now, i dont play many games at all atm, the gfx power i have is not really utilised,

tbh i want to avoid xfire, ive had nothing but issues, in fact its almost put/putting me off pc gaming! dont think ive fired up a game in a month

 

[chaotic_uk]

well i am going for nvidia next time tbh , sick of the crossfire problems with newer games

 

[sn0w8]

well i am going for nvidia next time tbh , sick of the crossfire problems with newer games

Have to say im tempted to do the same. I have to wait about a month for amd to make a game playable on crossfire.

I know that the game devs don't help either but midis seem to get it right quicker...

 

[xsistor]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/25089-amd-radeon-hd-7000-series-priced according to this it will be $449/$549 for the new cards.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Surely as you've said above (1st para) best value would be buying once new gen are out and price drops have taken effect??? as long as you dont mind having one generation old technology.

In addition, as I said, if its anything like the last launch, prices of old gen stuff will NOT crash overnight as some are speculating, the low availability meant they actually held value quite well for quite a while.

Worth noting two things, in any "normal" generation with a 80% performance difference, when the old £200 card becomes £120, and the new card is £200 but with 80% higher performance, there isn't a whole lot of better value in the £120 card over the £200 card, just different price points with relatively similar performance/£.

This generation was a bit different as due to the process we got the same price drop, but the performance difference was only 20-30%, meaning the new lower price cards offered MUCH better performance/£, this is a very non standard generation though. if the cards were 32nm and performance increase was higher than the value would have been different.

Also, not sure I agree on last gen holding its price, really at all. I had the choice between a previously £200 5850 now at £110, or a 6950 at £190 days after launch.

5850/470gtx/5870 EOL pricing was very quick, and very good almost straight after the introduction of new cards.

I'm not sure the 470gtx was going for its circa £130 pricing iirc, till the 6970/6950 launched and the 5850/5870 prices tanked though, but it might have done, really can't remember precisely.

Either way, waiting for the new gen will give better value options at every price point, be it a current 6950 or something for £120, or a 7950 at £200-225. Both will be a performance/£ you can't come remotely close to today.

 

[drunkenmaster]

so when do i sell one 6950? and when do i sell the other? i dont mind going with nothing at all for a little while, tbh i might just sell one now, i dont play many games at all atm, the gfx power i have is not really utilised,

tbh i want to avoid xfire, ive had nothing but issues, in fact its almost put/putting me off pc gaming! dont think ive fired up a game in a month

Sell one now, one just before xmas if you can go a few weeks without gaming.

What I tend to do is, not have a backup card but I tend to have a midrange card in another computer for various non gaming tasks, but I can easily rip that out and stick in some stupid low end card I've had lying about for years for just such occasions, and game in lower settings for a few weeks.

Have to say im tempted to do the same. I have to wait about a month for amd to make a game playable on crossfire.

I know that the game devs don't help either but midis seem to get it right quicker...

Yet, AFAIK Rage still doesn't work right in SLI, and they've had issues in most of the games AMD have AND have had issues in several titles AMD haven't.

Grass is always greener, but SLi users have just as many problems. My experience of SLI and xfire is I both didn't have any where near as many problems as other users with the same cards and found neither company had many games with serious issues.

Too many people change drivers every four seconds for no reason, the AMD driver is FAR more complex than Nvidia's as it does software scheduling for the most part, that means its FAR more liable to have fixes for one game that screw up another game.

But someone see's a 3% gain in anything and they install it immediately, then find something else doesn't work. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, I still with drivers till, and ONLY until a game I use has an actual problem I experience. When that has happened I have never waited more than a couple days from game release for a fix, and most of the time its on launch day or the day before.

There are more AMD users on these forums, have a look on Nvidia's own forums, there are a multitude of problems that you don't even see mentioned here.

There are several "bugs" at the moment with cards that cause a grey screen of death type situation on Nvidia cards, gets very little mention here(if any) and no press attention yet is a huge problem for those that have it.

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/item/25089-amd-radeon-hd-7000-series-priced according to this it will be $449/$549 for the new cards.

I wouldn't listen to pricing, AMD were telling everyone like OCUK included what the prices for teh 6950/6970 were at one price up to maybe 2 days before launch, then crashed the prices. They don't want the actual price to be known because Nvidia will crash the price of whatever card they want just before the AMD cards launch.

Not saying those won't be the prices, but Gibbo was convinced the 6970 would be £350 and the 6970 would be £280 iirc, up till maybe a day or two from launch then they got told the "new" prices.

 

[xsistor]

At first glance one thing hits me as really interesting in the 7900 series architecture. It looks like AMD GCN is using a single address space for all CPU and GPU threads -- the Virtual Address Space of the x86. If that's correct I'd like to see that. With CUDA you need to think of two memory spaces, and you also need to be mindful of which C-style pointers point to which memory. Performing indirection/dereferencing on a pointer to GPU memory on the CPU will naturally cause a segmentation fault. One memory space sounds like it will make the C/C++ GPU extensions easier to use, but I wonder if there will be any performance cost associated. I imagine the compiler now has to internally ensure pointer safety. Which will be an advantage to beginners but come in the form of a performance penalty to those well-versed. Alternatively perhaps the hardware includes support to do seamless mapping -- perhaps that;s the role of this IOMMU in the GCN arch. In that case the performance penalty can be reduced to anything from less than a compiler optimization to as little a performance hit as nothing.

 

[Rroff]

I wouldn't listen to pricing, AMD were telling everyone like OCUK included what the prices for teh 6950/6970 were at one price up to maybe 2 days before launch, then crashed the prices. They don't want the actual price to be known because Nvidia will crash the price of whatever card they want just before the AMD cards launch.

Not saying those won't be the prices, but Gibbo was convinced the 6970 would be £350 and the 6970 would be £280 iirc, up till maybe a day or two from launch then they got told the "new" prices.

AFAIK AMD didn't move that much on the price, a lot of people had convinced themselves it was going to be a lot faster than it was, retailers had already bought the stock they just didn't know how much markup they could get for them and were going on the rumours... up until the real performance came to light 2 days before release and they realised they couldn't charge top end nVidia prices for a card that was slower/similiar.

 

[413x]

Sell one now, one just before xmas if you can go a few weeks without gaming.

What I tend to do is, not have a backup card but I tend to have a midrange card in another computer for various non gaming tasks, but I can easily rip that out and stick in some stupid low end card I've had lying about for years for just such occasions, and game in lower settings for a few weeks.

I might well do that, i will however need a radeon card with hdmi in the mean time

 

[Farooq]

xsistor your signiture rig has to be the most serious machine to date I mean its totally insane. Is it real or a **** take? if its real show me some pics of that modern day digital rembrant. duel xeon's 96 gb ram quad watercooled cards and lets not get started on those monitors.
If it is real what is it used for? work, games, tech demo
I got nerd envy reading it.
on a side note where do you put your soundcard on quad sli do you use usb xi fi or you running onboard?

 

[Orcvader]

xsistor your signiture rig has to be the most serious machine to date I mean its totally insane. Is it real or a **** take? if its real show me some pics of that modern day digital rembrant. duel xeon's 96 gb ram quad watercooled cards and lets not get started on those monitors.
If it is real what is it used for? work, games, tech demo
I got nerd envy reading it.
on a side note where do you put your soundcard on quad sli usb xi fi or you running onboard?

It's real. I remember him posting pictures of it when everyone else was asking for proof... and boy those filled up RAM slots looks insane .

Back on topic, 5th of Dec, any word from AMD about the 7000 series yet?

 

[Farooq]

At first glance one thing hits me as really interesting in the 7900 series architecture. It looks like AMD GCN is using a single address space for all CPU and GPU threads -- the Virtual Address Space of the x86. If that's correct I'd like to see that. With CUDA you need to think of two memory spaces, and you also need to be mindful of which C-style pointers point to which memory. Performing indirection/dereferencing on a pointer to GPU memory on the CPU will naturally cause a segmentation fault. One memory space sounds like it will make the C/C++ GPU extensions easier to use, but I wonder if there will be any performance cost associated. I imagine the compiler now has to internally ensure pointer safety. Which will be an advantage to beginners but come in the form of a performance penalty to those well-versed. Alternatively perhaps the hardware includes support to do seamless mapping -- perhaps that;s the role of this IOMMU in the GCN arch. In that case the performance penalty can be reduced to anything from less than a compiler optimization to as little a performance hit as nothing.

n good point people need to look at how to best use all this new gpu power for compute tasks in day to day tasks. That means making it easy for programmers to use n code for.

 

[lay-z-boy]

where do you put your soundcard

People still use those?

I do wonder how big his table has to be to fit 3x 73" next to each other. I found 3x 24" + speakers hard to do.

 

[Voicon]

Do we still think there will be some sort of announcement today?

I am itching to buy a new GFX card

 

[Surveyor]

xsistor your signiture rig has to be the most serious machine to date I mean its totally insane. Is it real or a **** take? if its real show me some pics of that modern day digital rembrant. duel xeon's 96 gb ram quad watercooled cards and lets not get started on those monitors.
If it is real what is it used for? work, games, tech demo
I got nerd envy reading it.
on a side note where do you put your soundcard on quad sli do you use usb xi fi or you running onboard?

It's real. I remember him posting pictures of it when everyone else was asking for proof... and boy those filled up RAM slots looks insane .

If he ever had it (doubtful) he doesn't now:

I have that rig in my sig

... but not in real life.

... ahhh the beauty of ambiguity in natural language...

 

[Locky]

I stopped reading DM posts a long time ago, all he seems to post is long winded tripe and it gets boring tbh.

 

[morguk]

This announcement better happen!

 

[Gibbo]

This announcement better happen!

It won't, there is no launch today or this month just as I told you all last week.......