Heaven and Hell

What you're saying is breeze really. I would like to know what evidence there is for this 108 lives stuff.

Evidence? Investigate yourself. I can't prove to you the existance of other dimensions if you aren't willing to look and see them for yourself. It's like two people sat in a dark room and one opens a door goes and sees light outside and another world(s) and then comes back to the other guy and tells him what he's seen and experienced. Then the other person foolishly says bring me evidence of whats out there.

Just let him go with it. Magick can type some truly outstanding insanity if he wants. It's best to sit back and wonder at it all. I am still sitting here slack-jawed after reading that. I fear for him. I really do.

yawn.
 
I've had direct experience of these realms and seen them for myself. Anyone can with the practice like concerntration exercises and meditation.

Also give these a listen. Explains the whole process much more in depth

http://gnosticradio.org/lectures/courses/death/


These "realms". I'm most curious how you experienced them? Heavy meditation? A flash of insight? Did the aliens take you there? Were drugs involved? Please enlighten us.
 
I'm not sure. For me religion should be personal, I live in my own sphere, it really doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says beyond the outer layer of me. I think only a fool would say there is definitely nothing after this. I class the hardcore atheist as the same fool as the hardcore religous nut. Life is all about doing things for yourself if you can't be arsed to go out there and discover life and make your OWN assesment but have to have it forced on you by doctrine then I think your are letting yourself down and the generations before.

Do I believe in heaven or hell? No. Do I believe in a God? No. I do believe in looking after the important people who have stood by and believed in me. I have not had an easy upbringing, but I am thankful for the good life I have had up to now, and try to be the best I can be, failing most of the time but getting some things right.

If there is something to answer for when im dead then I can honestly say I did my best.

As for heaven, you look at the people that claim to be going there and to be quite honest if they are there i'd rather not be there. If there is an option for the 'off' switch when im dead i'll take it, when im dead I want to be turned off which for me is heaven.

I also have a strong belief that ALL the questions are answered at the moment of death, how I don't know.
 
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Meditation/Astral Projection.

Ah, transcendant meditation then. Be careful with that. Your soul is actually projected and can be ensnared if your cord is severed. It's a safer bet to ratchet it down a few notches to a milder form were you are only a distant observer.

During your visit did you communicate with any entities there? If so what did they have to say?
 
As for heaven, you look at the people that claim to be going there and to be quite honest if they are there i'd rather not be there.

Most, probably 95%, of people who claim they are going to heaven don't end up there. They end up being reborn on the physical plane or the inferior worlds. Getting into heaven is a lot harder than the religions try and make out.
 
Evidence? Investigate yourself. I can't prove to you the existance of other dimensions if you aren't willing to look and see them for yourself. It's like two people sat in a dark room and one opens a door goes and sees light outside and another world(s) and then comes back to the other guy and tells him what he's seen and experienced. Then the other person foolishly says bring me evidence of whats out there.

yawn.

Religion has always been & apparently still is intended to literally 'put the fear of god' into anyone who is deluded enough to believe it. Throughout the centuries millions have been massacred in the name of religion, convert or die.

What makes it all the more incredible is that in the modern age of technology & space travel people continue to be so misguided as to believe in a god or other supernatural occurrences.

Where is the evidence that Jesus even existed let alone was the son of god?

How could such an amazing man apparently go unnoticed during his lifetime because nothing was written about him until 150 or so years later??

Why are there not numerous contemporary writings about this amazing man who apparently could walk on water & feed thousands with a handful of food ??
The word used to describe such stories is Myth, you know all about Greek & Roman mythology right?? You don't believe that Zeus, Apollo & all their mates were real do you??
& yet you still believe in Christian mythology, very interesting
 
Who said anything about converting. I don't believe in islam but i am going to the muslim heaven for the women but only if there is bacon, proper bacon as well, not the american stuff.

But they won't let you in unless you pretend to convert though
 
Ah, transcendant meditation then. Be careful with that. Your soul is actually projected and can be ensnared if your cord is severed. It's a safer bet to ratchet it down a few notches to a milder form were you are only a distant observer.

During your visit did you communicate with any entities there? If so what did they have to say?

Most of the times i've been there I was just 'observing'. I've communicated with entities both human, elementals, angelic and demonic beings.

Most humans you speak to in the inferior worlds don't even know where they are or that they are dead. The ones that are aware are black magicians/sorcerers and it's best not to interact to much with those types. To give a vague favlour of what hell is like it's very similar to the film silent hill where you have all the people in perpeptual darkness living in ruined cities and they aren't aware that they have died.

It's very complex as you dealing with different spheres all over-lapping each other. Initialy hell can seem quite alluring there's drugs, bars, sex and all other forms of vice but it sucks you in then imprisions you and things very quickly become 'hellish' and not nice. Kind of hard to explain until you see it for yourself. The story in Pinochia where the children goto a playground and indulge in lots of pleasures but then turn into donkeys is a good allergory.

The superior worlds (heaven) is a totaly different matter. It is truly amazing, happiness and freedom beyond your wildist dreams. Beuatiful architecture nothing ages or deacys. Even the grass grows in geometricaly beatiful patterns. There is no fear, anger, war, poverty, class or divsion.

The problem is getting into the superior worlds is very hard because you have to be purged of all sin and desire. One of the reasons heaven remains the way it is because 'sinful' people aren't let in there. If you seriously working spiritualy though you will be allowed visits there to motivate you to keep working and eliminating all your vices and lusts.
 
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muslims believe that to get to heaven you have to become like a god on earth, this is what the five pillars are about.

christians believe that man is ungodly and as such jesus had to die for mans sins and it is by accepting this that will allow you to go to heaven.

Think about how it was before you were born, that is how it is when you die.

Religious always say, yea but what if i am right and I go to heaven for eternity and you suffer in hell for eternity. The "might as well argument"

1) what if i am right and they spent their whole life waiting for a life after death that they did not live life to the fullest, what a waste.
2) i do not want to like or worship or agree with a god that sets out silly criteria to live by only to be rewarded for eternity or punished for eternity.
 
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