Help after being on remand and being found not guilty.

[Xordium]

You didn't want to bring up your case but within 10 posts on a niche computing forum you seem to have done so ...

1) Do you have gloves?
2) And did they have a complete video record of your travelling without gaps?
3) The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could.

So did you do it being as you yet again didn't actually state you didn't. From the sounds of it you did do it, but still got found not guilty and are now doing the same woe is me routine that you accuse this woman of. Sounds like you actually deserve each other.

 

[Jones]

You didn't want to bring up your case but within 10 posts on a niche computing forum you seem to have done so ...

1) Do you have gloves?
2) And did they have a complete video record of your travelling without gaps?
3) The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could.

So did you do it being as you yet again didn't actually state you didn't. From the sounds of it you did do it, but still got found not guilty and are now doing the same woe is me routine that you accuse this woman of. Sounds like you actually deserve each other.

If you read the thread you will see I didn't bring it up. Other people did.

No gloves, as CCTV showed. When they tracked the phone location it showed I didn't take it.

Had the whole thing from where we met to where I walked off apart from 5 seconds. This is the same spot she claimed she had been kidnapped from in the past.

You think punching someone twice in the face wouldn't leave marks? Being thrown on the floor wouldn't leave marks?

 

[Jones]

It is and they do.

http://www.falselyaccused.co.uk/wrongful-convictions/compensation-for-wrongful-imprisonment/

Although it does have to be by being proven innocent, rather than just being found not guilty, which covers basically all the opinions voiced in this thread.

Just to point out that doesn't include being on remand and being found not guilty. It's listed under wrongful convictions and then compensation for wrongful imprisonment. I got an email from them to confirm this.

The only way to get compensation while on remand is if the police acted improperly. Even proving you're innocent doesn't make any difference.

 

[Xordium]

If you read the thread you will see I didn't bring it up. Other people did.

No gloves, as CCTV showed. When they tracked the phone location it showed I didn't take it.

Had the whole thing from where we met to where I walked off apart from 5 seconds. This is the same spot she claimed she had been kidnapped from in the past.

You think punching someone twice in the face wouldn't leave marks? Being thrown on the floor wouldn't leave marks?

Still haven't actually denied you did it though have you?

 

[D.P.]

Like I said the evidence was clear I didn't do it. Everyone in the courtroom knew I didn't do it. There wasn't any doubt.

-Fingerprints on the phone case didn't match mine.
-Despite claiming to be left unconscious in the middle of the road there weren't any witnesses or CCTV. There was CCTV of us walking and me walking away from her.
-No medical report

If you were brutally attacked there would be some evidence.


What do you expect to happen in court? How do you prove you didn't do it? If you could it wouldn't have made it to court anyway.

I am not saying I don't believe you and I don't want to insult you, but you haven't posted any real poof yet, just that there was insufficient evidence to prove you guilty.


Proof of innocence would require some rock solid Alibi, i.e. you were provably out of the country or at some friends party with 30 witnesses to say you were there all night.

 

[Jones]

I am not saying I don't believe you and I don't want to insult you, but you haven't posted any real poof yet, just that there was insufficient evidence to prove you guilty.


Proof of innocence would require some rock solid Alibi, i.e. you were provably out of the country or at some friends party with 30 witnesses to say you were there all night.

You wouldn't be charged and go to trial if you had that. What proof are you expecting? How do you prove you didn't attack someone?

I told the police I was there but the attack never took place. There wasn't any evidence of an attack and all the evidence (DNA, phone tracking, medical, CCTV) back my story. There were so many holes in her story. It wasn't just lack of evidence it was the evidence that supported me.

 

[Jones]

3) The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could.

Just to add something to this quote.

There HAS to be serious injuries. If you hurt someone without injuries you can't be convicted of GBH or ABH.

 

[Xordium]

Just to add something to this quote.

There HAS to be serious injuries. If you hurt someone without injuries you can't be convicted of GBH or ABH.

I said without leaving marks not without injuries. There is a big difference you was using the former to suggest the latter had not occurred. I merely pointed out the error in that thinking.

So did you do it?

 

[Jones]

No I didn't do it.

I said without leaving marks not without injuries. There is a big difference you was using the former to suggest the latter had not occurred. I merely pointed out the error in that thinking.

So did you do it?

You were responding to me saying there wasn't any injuries. As you can see below.

3) This woman has falsely accused people before, she has no problem reporting things to the police and she was happy to bring attention to it once she thought she would get compensation. After such a brutal attack (from someone twice her size) you would expect some injuries (bruising on face, bruising on neck from being strangled, cuts from being thrown around). Completely unrealistic to not have any injuries.

3) The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could.

 

[Xordium]

No I didn't do it.

See there you go wasn't do difficult was it.

You described surface appearance of injuries which does not mean a subsurface injury didn't take place. But that is moot anyway because you now finally have said you didn't do it. So I suggest you move along with your life and forget about it or you give her another victory.

 

[Jones]

See there you go wasn't do difficult was it.

You described surface appearance of injuries which does not mean a subsurface injury didn't take place. But that is moot anyway because you now finally have said you didn't do it. So I suggest you move along with your life and forget about it or you give her another victory.

I gave a few examples but I very clearly stated injuries. Also she saw a doctor so any subsurface injuries would be known. I don't think you have any understanding about what injuries are needed for ABH.

-The loss or breaking of a tooth or teeth
-Temporary loss of sensory function, including loss of consciousness
-Extensive or multiple bruising
-A displaced broken nose
-Minor fractures of bones
-Minor (but not superficial) cuts requiring medical treatment

You said "The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could."

The CPS doesn't have specific guidance that make such things irrelevant. In fact the injuries are needed. You were 100% wrong and have been in most of your posts.

This thread wasn't about my case. It is you who keeps asking about it.

 

[Sandycheeks]

*Feel like I have just read a Jeremy Kyle script.

 

[Xordium]

This thread wasn't about my case.

Of course it was.

 

[Jones]

Of course it was.

I never mentioned it until other posters put up the details. It was only about the lack of support given to people who are released after being found not guilty.

 

[Josh]

As an ex-Prison Officer I do agree that whilst in Prison on remand you are basically ignored by everyone. The remand wings of most Prisons are some of the most difficult to work/live on.

We had 180 remand prisoners on my old wing, with 6 staff. Each and every one innocent or guilty wanted the whole world to sit up and listen. Sadly once you are the other side of the gate, society in the most part doesn't care...and neither does the society on the inside.

Major works needs to be done in Prisons in general and sadly, remands are in the middle of a pretty long list.

I'm not getting involved with the case/case details/guilty/not guilty.

 

[Jones]

As an ex-Prison Officer I do agree that whilst in Prison on remand you are basically ignored by everyone. The remand wings of most Prisons are some of the most difficult to work/live on.

We had 180 remand prisoners on my old wing, with 6 staff. Each and every one innocent or guilty wanted the whole world to sit up and listen. Sadly once you are the other side of the gate, society in the most part doesn't care...and neither does the society on the inside.

Major works needs to be done in Prisons in general and sadly, remands are in the middle of a pretty long list.

I'm not getting involved with the case/case details/guilty/not guilty.

That must be a hard job. They are so understaffed and I wouldn't be able to do it.

I don't have any complaints about how I was treated inside. All the officers were good to me and helped as much as they could despite being being understaffed.

 

[Josh]

That must be a hard job. They are so understaffed and I wouldn't be able to do it.

I don't have any complaints about how I was treated inside. All the officers were good to me and helped as much as they could despite being being understaffed.

Wouldn't say hard, we weren't breaking bricks for 12 hours a day but mentally tiring would be fitting.

Some of us generally tried to help, but when you rely on outside agencies like the OCA, Resettlement, A4E and Oasys etc you are taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

 

[Jones]

Wouldn't say hard, we weren't breaking bricks for 12 hours a day but mentally tiring would be fitting.

Some of us generally tried to help, but when you rely on outside agencies like the OCA, Resettlement, A4E and Oasys etc you are taking 1 step forward and 2 steps back.

When I said hard I was talking about having to deal with prisoners. Several were attacked during my stay. One was knocked out really badly.

 

[Josh]

When I said hard I was talking about having to deal with prisoners. Several were attacked during my stay. One was knocked out really badly.

Yeah that was a daily occurrence at my place also. Sadly it's part of the job.

I don't blame 90% of those who lash out, they are normally the ones who have a serious issue that got missed/ignored.

Dealing with prisoners was fine, dealing with problem prisoners was the hard bit.

 

[thep02]

If you read the thread you will see I didn't bring it up. Other people did.

No gloves, as CCTV showed. When they tracked the phone location it showed I didn't take it.

Had the whole thing from where we met to where I walked off apart from 5 seconds. This is the same spot she claimed she had been kidnapped from in the past.

You think punching someone twice in the face wouldn't leave marks? Being thrown on the floor wouldn't leave marks?

Dude you should just put xiordium on ignore, he's an insufferable bore.