Help after being on remand and being found not guilty.

There is a popular forum over on Ribbit (Not that, you know) the thread is called something like PuddyPass.

I suggest heading over there. Women get away with literal murder these days.

If you are ever accused of anything involving a woman, even if you never set eyes on her, you will be treated as guilty from day one and expect to serve some sort of time in jail.

Get a damn good solicitor and be thorough. Play by the rules, but don't allow them to not document everything.

I have a friend going through this right now. His life has been ruined but he did have poor counsel at the start.

Anyone who has had their life turned upside down and released innocent should be treated better than those released after a conviction.

You could be in the wrong place, at the wrong time and that is all it takes now.

It's alarming how cases get to court without any real evidence. I'm not sure what sort of targets police are working under these days.

To put things into perspective....

If this were to happen to me as of now. I have a young son, another kid on the way, recently started a good new job. We have a mortgaged house.

If I was away for 8 months.... we would lose the house, my job, my son would not have a father around and I wouldn't be around to see the birth of my new daughter.

I cannot even begin to describe what I would be like. I think I would be lost to society forever and have murder on my mind.

It's at that point, society owes you and they owe you big.
 
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None of us, well apart from arknor, have experienced what Jones has, so coming to cunclusions and saying that he's guilty because he didn't specifically state 'I didn't do it, I'm innocent'' which oddly enough is THE first thing guilty people say, just shows the kind of blood thirsty dicks we have here on GD. Yes, I can say dicks :D
Props to all the guys giving decent answers, atleast we know there's some humanity in GD
 
Keyboards'Fear said:
Xordium has become extremely aggressive and hateful ,(ban for aggressive hateful behaviour mods?) (even for GD standards), so ignore him..
I'm sorry your post has turned into this Jones. As you say, it's not about your trial, but about the treatment for those found not guilty.
I think this answers one of the first questions on why he came here- First forum, full of dicks, second forum, full of dicks and now here unfortunately where he thought he could find unbiased helpful comments, he has found dicks
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So report the post and let the mods decide?!?

At the end of the day maybe I was harsh but the simple fact it the OP was given plenty of opportunities to say he was innocent. I just thought it was highly suspicious he didn't seem to actually say that and repeatedly sidestepped.

No evidence and not guilty are not necessarily the same. When someone keeps saying there was no evidence that to me means - they couldn't prove it - rather than I am not guilty. You will bother to note as soon (took 6 attempts by my counting) the OP said I am not guilty other than there was no evidence then I instantly accepted that.

I would also add the OP states he had prior knowledge that this woman was not acting in this manner for the first time. In that case why the hell was he with someone like that. It's great to go around blaming everyone else for things that go wrong in your life but by far and large most people have problems in their life because they actually did nothing to mitigate them. Seriously if anyone with half a brain cell knew a woman was this damaged they'd run for the hills. If you can't do that then really you deserve what you get or at the very least shouldn't bitch about it. It's always someone else's fault isn't it ...

But feel free all you under 500 post accounts to report my posts and let the mods decide. ;)
 
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Nah I won't man, OCUK and all, just did feel you were attacking him a little bit too much. Everyone has their own opinions and their own way of looking at things, so I was wrong in posting that bit, and I apologise.
If someone was guilty however, would they start posting it up all over the internet though?
He's new, so wouldn't have (still doesn't) know what GD is capable of.
Main point is what the poor bloke even said that the whole point of the post is NOT discussing his case, but the support of those found not guilty

MASSIVE FAIL
 
Jones said:
So do you not think there should be some help for people after?

What makes you say the remand system works well?
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You need to justify why a remand is required for the safety of others. This isn't easy and in all the cases I've seen it's been completely appropriate. If anything there are plenty of people who've been granted bail who should've been remanded.

Getting a remand isn't easy and if it's granted I'm comfortable that the likelihood is that is necessary from all the check and balances in place. If you've been remanded, there's likely to be a good reason regardless of the court result.
 
Xordium said:
You didn't want to bring up your case but within 10 posts on a niche computing forum you seem to have done so ...

1) Do you have gloves?
2) And did they have a complete video record of your travelling without gaps?
3) The CPS has specific guidance that such things are irrelevant. Also I could quite easily hurt someone very badly without leaving any marks whatsoever - I suspect most people on here could.

So did you do it being as you yet again didn't actually state you didn't. From the sounds of it you did do it, but still got found not guilty and are now doing the same woe is me routine that you accuse this woman of. Sounds like you actually deserve each other.
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Oh wow. I'm embarrassed for you for even posting this.
 
Xordium said:
So report the post and let the mods decide?!?

At the end of the day maybe I was harsh but the simple fact it the OP was given plenty of opportunities to say he was innocent. I just thought it was highly suspicious he didn't seem to actually say that and repeatedly sidestepped.

No evidence and not guilty are not necessarily the same. When someone keeps saying there was no evidence that to me means - they couldn't prove it - rather than I am not guilty. You will bother to note as soon (took 6 attempts by my counting) the OP said I am not guilty other than there was no evidence then I instantly accepted that.

I would also add the OP states he had prior knowledge that this woman was not acting in this manner for the first time. In that case why the hell was he with someone like that. It's great to go around blaming everyone else for things that go wrong in your life but by far and large most people have problems in their life because they actually did nothing to mitigate them. Seriously if anyone with half a brain cell knew a woman was this damaged they'd run for the hills. If you can't do that then really you deserve what you get or at the very least shouldn't bitch about it. It's always someone else's fault isn't it ...

But feel free all you under 500 post accounts to report my posts and let the mods decide. ;)
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I will repeat myself. I said the evidence was clear I didn't do it. That is different from there not being evidence.

Also where did I say I knew about her past. Quote it?
 
Jones said:
I will repeat myself. I said the evidence was clear I didn't do it. That is different from there not being evidence.

Also where did I say I knew about her past. Quote it?
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He's clearly not reading this thread properly, or he's just making things up. He seems to think you were "with" this woman as well. I think he's completely oblivious to the fact that you met her whilst going to an interview for a job.
 
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Burnsy2023 said:
You need to justify why a remand is required for the safety of others. This isn't easy and in all the cases I've seen it's been completely appropriate. If anything there are plenty of people who've been granted bail who should've been remanded.

Getting a remand isn't easy and if it's granted I'm comfortable that the likelihood is that is necessary from all the check and balances in place. If you've been remanded, there's likely to be a good reason regardless of the court result.
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My experience is that isn't true. It seems very easy to get remanded. There wasn't any good reason why I was remanded. They claimed I was stressed when I committed the attack and so might do it again. I wasn't stressed at all, in fact was having a good night. It's not hard for them to make up reasons.
 
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Jones said:
My experience is that isn't true. It seems very easy to get remanded. There wasn't any good reason why I was remanded. They claimed I was stressed when I committed the attack and so might do it again. I wasn't stressed at all, in fact was having a good night. It's not hard for them to make up reasons.
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Remands aren't easy. They need to be approved by the CPS and then a magistrate or judge. The Police can't just things up as they will need to justify the need.

Remand must be appropraite for one of the following reasons:

  • There are justifiable grounds for believing that the defendant will not comply with bail conditions;
  • Or the defendant has demonstrated that he or she cannot or will not comply with them;
  • Or there are justifiable grounds for believing that the defendant will commit one or more of the future risks regardless of the conditions imposed.

You clearly met at least one of these conditions that the Police agreed was necessary, the CPS agreed was necessary and a magistrate agreed was necessary. That's a lot of people whose job it is to scrutinise justification agreeing that you needed to be remanded.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Remands aren't easy. They need to be approved by the CPS and then a magistrate or judge. The Police can't just things up as they will need to justify the need.

Remand must be appropraite for one of the following reasons:

  • There are justifiable grounds for believing that the defendant will not comply with bail conditions;
  • Or the defendant has demonstrated that he or she cannot or will not comply with them;
  • Or there are justifiable grounds for believing that the defendant will commit one or more of the future risks regardless of the conditions imposed.

You clearly met at least one of these conditions that the Police agreed was necessary, the CPS agreed was necessary and a magistrate agreed was necessary. That's a lot of people whose job it is to scrutinise justification agreeing that you needed to be remanded.
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I am aware of the requirements for being remanded. They decided I met the third one, Which was ridiculous.

The CPS where the ones making up stuff. The judge is going by what he is told and if the CPS are making stuff up it's very easy to convince the judge.
 
Jones said:
I am aware of the requirements for being remanded. They decided I met the third one, Which was ridiculous.

The CPS where the ones making up stuff. The judge is going by what he is told and if the CPS are making stuff up it's very easy to convince the judge.
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Why would the CPS make something up? Why would the Police put a remand file together unless there was good reason to?

Whilst you may be a victim of an abuse of process, it's usually robust enough to avoid what you are suggesting.
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Why would the CPS make something up? Why would the Police put a remand file together unless there was good reason to?

Whilst you may be a victim of an abuse of process, it's usually robust enough to avoid what you are suggesting.
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Why, in the absence of any other available information, are you so willing to defend the system?

Now, it could be the OP is withholding vital bits of information, and if he is, then he is just wasting everyones time, as the actions might well have been justfied.

However, in the absence of any information that impinges on his character, surely (kind of ironic considering what this whole thread is about) it is reasonable to take him at face value.

Then again, most police/wannabe cops seem hell bent on defending the system which pays their salaries and feeds their viewpoints and desires...
 
Burnsy2023 said:
Why would the CPS make something up? Why would the Police put a remand file together unless there was good reason to?

Whilst you may be a victim of an abuse of process, it's usually robust enough to avoid what you are suggesting.
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Are you suggesting the CPS and police don't lie? The CPS twist everything to suit their story. In the one hour the trial lasted I counted three things they made up. One being that they thought I was going for a **** in the street. Wasn't true and there was nothing to suggest that.

I have no idea why the police were so determined to get me remanded. I was granted bail but the police spoke to the CPS barrister and they appealed.

You seem very trusting in the system.
 
sports_brah said:
Now, it could be the OP is withholding vital bits of information, and if he is, then he is just wasting everyones time, as the actions might well have been justfied.
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Personally if it happened to me I'd probably be on remand because I would have lost it back at the station knowing I was innocent.
 
Dimple said:
I think Xordium was getting nasty because the OP would not answer the question 'Did you do it?' but kept side stepping which I also found strange.
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He's always like that he lets his unfounded suspicions and paranoia cloud his mind, god knows what makes him think he's got the right to be obnoxious in the manner he questions posters, arrogance I guess.
 
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Arthur Hucksake said:
If you are ever accused of anything involving a woman, even if you never set eyes on her, you will be treated as guilty from day one and expect to serve some sort of time in jail.

Get a damn good solicitor and be thorough. Play by the rules, but don't allow them to not document everything.

I have a friend going through this right now. His life has been ruined but he did have poor counsel at the start.
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False rape accusations are a favourite strategy that psychopathic women like to use to wreck men's lives. The maximum prison sentence for a bloke who gets convicted of rape is up to 25 years, but for someone convicted of making a false rape accusation it is just 1 year and most of the time the CPS don't even bother to prosecute the latter group.

A friend of mine got falsely accused of rape by a mad woman who had made numerous false rape accusations against other innocent men. (She was incredibly ugly and obese and had taken to stalking men she found attractive and then making false rape allegations against them when they turned down her advances.)

He was arrested and interrogated by the Police and his home was raided and searched. That caused his landlord to fall out with him, (as he lived in the same building), and he had to move out soon afterwards. The Police dropped the case though as there was no forensic or other evidence to support her story and she had even contradicted herself in her own statements!

A few weeks later he heard that she had gone on to make a false rape accusation against another local man who worked in a nearby shop and this time she totally flipped out, followed her latest victim home and petrol bombed his rented flat. She got 5 years for that, so there was a happy ending! :-)

However, if someone cynically makes a false rape accusation against you and you are found not guilty that untrue allegation will still stop you from becoming a teacher/nurse/child carer etc in the future.

Arthur Hucksake said:
It's alarming how cases get to court without any real evidence.
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Yes. Career criminals often make false accusations against innocent people that they try to rob or attack. If you ever have the misfortune to deal with such people I strongly suggest you get a covert recording watch: http://www.eyetek.co.uk/covert-recording-watch-1

They are worth their weight in gold in an emergency as you can turn them on and record what is happening without the person who is planning to frame you realising that they are being recorded...
 
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